These newcomers are interesting, if lacking in name recognition for the most part. Other than Brent Barry and Beno, most of these guys will not see more than a few minutes of garbage time a game, at most.
Even so, it will be intersting to see if some of them develop. There are some atheletes, so 1 or 2 could develop into a good backup. They are mostly specialsts; a 3 pt. shooter, a bruiser, a long defending 3, some shot blockers and an extra pg.
Scrubs? For the most part. But remember it was back players who helped us get our 2nd championship...
As for Kobe the next Jordan,
He is going to be a great scorer next year, but he is not selfless enough to replicate what Jordan did. He only was truely successful when he had a cast who could come through for him. When teams took Jordan out of the game, and it DID happen, other guys had to nut up and be the guy. Like Fisher cut our throats in the playoffs when we doubled Kobe...
Last edited by spursfaninla; 10-05-2004 at 04:07 PM. Reason: oh yeah, and as for Kobe the next Jordan....
The offseason was ok. There are some question marks, namely Udrih and LJ3. If Udrih can't bring it at least you have Barry to back up TP. Without LJ3 then defensively at the 3 there is the potential for some problems. My guess is that Ginobili, Barry, and Horry would see spot duty there as matchups warrant.
That is the one spot where the loss of Turkoglu will definitely be felt.
TheWriter, you need show Admiral some respect. He's been posting long before Fastandfurious was giving inside scoops on the acquisition of Charles Oakley.
Admiral, I don't think you are supposed to be that excited about the newcomers. Nine players returned from last year's squad and they addressed their perimeter shooting problem with the acquisition of Brent Barry. They got a player they coveted in the draft in Beno Udrih, plus Barry can cover for Udrih if he's not ready.
Last season, the Spurs had only six players returning, so their summer acquisitions were much more important. With nine guys returning, there's not many roster spots to get excited about.
But I think that one guy who is in that group of "scrubs" that will eventually make a
difference is LJIII. Maybe not this year, but eventually he's a worthy pick up.
When you have a base of Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili. It's all about finding the pieces to go around them. Barry was a great piece. If the Spurs don't play Malik, then I worry about our backup bigs. But other than that, the Spurs are in great shape.
Whatever, you suck and so do your posts so who gives a Boumtje-Boumtje when you started posting small fry.
Walton will now "bottom line" it; of the new players either signed or invited to training camp, only two warrant discussion, Brent Barry and Beno Udrih, both will play important roles for the squad this year. The Spurs will carry 12 players and three IR dudes. The last roster spot will be a battle between Tony Massenburg and Sean Marks, hopefully Massenburg wins it because the Spurs front court could use the muscle. Nesterovic and Duncan wouldn't intimidate Joan Rivers. The IR fodder will be Romain Sato, James Thomas and either Marks or Massenburg. Marque Perry, 'Rouben' and Valter Monteiro are as good as gone and have almost no chance of winning a spot on this impressive roster. The Spurs look damn good but don't go the Bryant route and get fired up over some mechanic from Angola that can hit the occasional three. This place it at its most depressing when people like Marcus are doing their best impression of the average Laker fan pumped over the development of Brian Cook.
'Spus Talk' seems to gaining momentum after a lethargic summer, kudos to timvp and Kori for the new design, me likes........but I've got bones to pick with the Royal Family. How come I can't transfer my Walton picture from the previous board and use it as my avatar?
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Another bone to pick.
How come Kori has two spurs and timvp only has one?
Hover over them to find out.
I'll go get it and make it your avatar. Be right back.How come I can't transfer my Walton picture from the previous board and use it as my avatar?
As for your assessment of the Newcomers, you are close to right.
Nine players returning, plus Beno, Massenburg and Barry makes 12. (Though Mass might go to IR). Then you have 3 spots left. Linton Johnson gets one of those spots (though he might not be on IR all year).
So you have five guys left ... Sato, Perry, Monteiro, Thomas and Boumtje-Boumtje with two spots (if they carry 15) remaining.
I think Sato gets a spot only because they were really high on him this summer.
So now you have 4 guys left fighting for that one spot. Out of Perry, Monteiro, Thomas and Boumtje, I'd like to keep Perry. But they'll probably keep Thomas.
Talking about pessimism, has anybody seen rascal? (talk about a pessimistic !)
I'd raher keep Thomas than Perry. I'd rater hae a 6'8 guy who could possibily be the next Rodman than Perry who would probably be out next Derrick Dial.
Why are people quoting and not answering the quotes?
Damn Flip Floppers.
I'm not disappointed in the offseason, but it's just like any other for our Spurs in that it was relatively uneventful. Uneventful is fine, because we aren't far away from being where we want to be, but some around here prop every new player as a budding star who was not in the right place until now. Except for possibly Brent Barry on a really good day against the Warriors, I don't think the "future star" label applies to anyone we obtained. Besides, Brent doesn't have too many years left to continue improving, does he?
Re-signing Manu was nice, although I'm still curious to see if he can be consistent this year. I would also like to see us lock Parker up. I think the guy is a leader and probably has the most heart on our team. His playoff performances will improve as he reaches mid-20's. Considering his age and experience level, the performances he's had are pretty amazing.
I don't think we're "favorites" to win the le this year, but I certainly expect us to make a push. I said at the beginning of last season that I didn't think we were going to win it all in 2003-2004, but that 2004-2005 should be a year we can strive to win it all again. Hopefully that will be the case. My biggest concern is down low, where Tim is now starting to experience what David did for years - a lack of a tough big man alongside you that can be counted on every night. Fortunately for Tim, Rasho is better than anyone David had (with the possible exception of Rodman at times).
Sup Admiral.
We are going to win it. I know it. A Malik deal is coming this year and that deal will secure the backup big and point guard that we need.
2005 NBA Champions!
What are you talking about? I haven't read to many people singing the praises of the newcomers. Sure some are excited about Beno (as are the coaching staff), but show me a post were someone is saying that LJIII, Massenburg, Sato, Thomas, Monteiro, Perry or Boumtje-Boumtje is going to be a star.I'm not disappointed in the offseason, but it's just like any other for our Spurs in that it was relatively uneventful. Uneventful is fine, because we aren't far away from being where we want to be, but some around here prop every new player as a budding star who was not in the right place until now. Except for possibly Brent Barry on a really good day against the Warriors, I don't think the "future star" label applies to anyone we obtained. Besides, Brent doesn't have too many years left to continue improving, does he?
I think you tried to take a common anti-"homer" theme and work it into this situation, but it doesn't apply.
The offseason was about tweaking the roster more than anything else after they re-signed Ginobili. If Pop will put Rose back in the rotation then the deficiency in the starting center position will be mitigated. Otherwise they added a rookie point guard with some promise to back up Parker and if he doesn't pan out then Barry is flexible enough to cover that. It remains to be see how the backup 3 spot will be addressed. If LJ3 can handle that then the Spurs should be ok. If not, they can fake it with Ginobili, Barry or Horry as needed.
The Spurs didn't have a major change this offseason and they didn't need one. They clearly were not far away from the top last season, to say the least. Sometimes I can at least understand the ing I read in the forum, but this time some of you need to get a clue.
It's about time for the season to start. I'm not sure about the rest of you, but I am personally looking forward to the first Walton rant after the first Spurs loss which of course will be followed by the second...
nice to see you back admiral...
there werent many changes this offseason so there isnt really much to analyze.
barry > hedo.
no other loss means anything really.
simply because of picking up brent barry and getting rid of hedo...we are a better team.
size is not everything in this league...especially if you are a ing scared pussy when its time to play basketball (playoffs)
I'd rather have a guy at 6'4" or whatever Barry is...who can successfully play 3 positions, over a guy like Hedo who is what 6'10" and has to be coddled like a ing baby and plays like a scared pussy in the god damn playoffs.
and Buddy Holly goto ing .
I agree that backup 3 might be a weakness for the Spurs. LJ3, Devin and Barry need to prove able of covering as a 3 for stretches. I'd feel more comfortable if they would have brought a sure 3 into camp (say Michael Curry), but I guess this will give the young guys more of a chance.It remains to be see how the backup 3 spot will be addressed. If LJ3 can handle that then the Spurs should be ok. If not, they can fake it with Ginobili, Barry or Horry as needed.
I agree with MB and Das Texan.
"The offseason was about tweaking the roster more than anything else after they re-signed Ginobili", as MB well describes the offseason, and
"barry > hedo" as DT summarizes it.
The Spurs signing of Manu was a must.
Barry was the perfect addition to solve the Spurs biggest problem (and the reason why they lost to LA in last year´s playoffs).
And lastly, now they have options for backing up TP with Barry and Beno.
By the way, why do you guys, MB and DT, share the same avatar?. Its confussing.
cause i havent converted my icon over....and there is no 12th man white boy icon up that i could use
I think Beno needs some time to used to NBA league , so not expect to much from him at start!
For Valter Monteiro , i think he will go home after camp! I think he is not good enough!
But Brent Barry is a very good player so i think, he would be very good strengthening for Spurs this season. Good scorer!
GO SPURS!
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