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    Iraq was found to be in violation. Saddams tapes we found reveal he was just waiting for the inspectors to leave before restart. Saddam ordered various plans hidden. Saddam also was storing large amounts of small U.S. bills in tin's of 100,000 each. 3 houses full for us in the new program.

    Saddam ordered subversion of the inspectors. The only way to find out for sure is to invade. The program is now stoped and the threat neutralized.

    Marines and soldiers are ASKING to re-enlist and go back for more. Why don't you get a job stocking at night at Wal Mart and let the Soldiers do there job?

    Maybe you can sell used clothes or that baby superstore? You don't have to join the Army.


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    Okay, I know your head is in the sand and that nothing I say will dissuade you but, obviously, many other people are following developments and are coming to the realization that 1) al Qaeda and Ba'athist Iraq had a relationship,
    Link?

    2) Ba'athist Iraq was still very much in the business of developing weapons of mass destruction and probably had more than have already been found (and yes, they've been found), and
    Link?

    3) Ba'athist Iraq was supporting terrorist organizations to the extent it is reasonable to believe they would be more than happy to assist one in attacking the U.S. or it's interests.
    Link?

    I guess you've also missed the latest tranlated do ents that show he admitted Arab Fedeyeen (code for al Qaeda) into the country, supported their training, and shortly before the invasion, ordered that they be paid just as were Iraq regulars.
    He didn't admitted anyone, he (his son) organized "Fedayeen Saddam". (see wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedayeen_Saddam). This was a well known fact before the war. I don't see the Al Qaeda connection.

    And, this is after you ignored 12 years of UNSC violations, hostile acts against coalition forces enforcing the UN no-fly zones, the oil for food scandal, and the massacring of Shi'ites and Kurds.
    Yes, he was a bad guy. Regarding "hostile acts against coalition forces": the no-fly zone didn't extend over entire Iraq air space, if coalition violated their air space they had every right to shoot at planes. Also coalition forces often bombed Iraq sites which hasn't got anything with enforcing no-fly zone and is a violation of international laws and an act of war.

    Also, if we've diverted all forces, how do you explain recent operations in Afghanistan?
    Where is Osama? what is now... 5 years?

    I'm not certain how you can make the claim that Iraq wasn't the enemy.
    They were no threat to America. Israel probably, Europe perhaps, USA - no.

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    The plot thickens.......

    Kevin Drum says One of Dana Priest's sources for her Pulitzer-winning series of stories about the CIA's secret system of prisons in Europe was apparently CIA officer Mary McCarthy, who was fired last week for leaking to Priest. But how is it that McCarthy even knew about the agency's prison system, anyway? After all, she didn't work on the operational side of the house. She worked for the Inspector General's office.

    The best guess floating around right now is that the only way someone in the IG's office could know about the prisons is if the IG's office was investigating the prisons. Juliette Kayyem comments:

    So, here are the questions:

    (1) Was there an IG investigation of the prisons? If yes, who authorized it? What happened to it?

    (2) If no, did the CIA Director (goss) prohibit it from happening under the national security exception? Did he notify Congress as required by law?

    Those are good questions. Here's another one: how did this program end up in the IG's office in the first place? Ken Silverstein offers a clue over at Harper's:

    An ex-senior agency officer who keeps in contact with his former peers told me that there is a “a big swing” in anti-Bush sentiment at Langley. “I've been stunned by what I'm hearing,” he said. “There are people who fear that indictments and subpoenas could be coming down, and they don't want to get caught up in it.”

    This former senior officer said there “seems to be a quiet conspiracy by rational people” at the agency to avoid involvement in some of the particularly nasty tactics being employed by the administration, especially “renditions” — the practice whereby the CIA sends terrorist suspects abroad to be questioned in Egypt, Syria, Uzbekistan, and other nations where the regimes are not squeamish about torturing detainees.

    The secret prisons may be another target of these "rational people." If enough of them are refusing to be involved with the prison system, that's something that's almost certain to eventually come to the attention of a body charged with agency oversight. Stay tuned.

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    Hang the "lady". This leak isn't about Iraq, it is about the war on terror, dumbutts.
    She is just one of the Libs left over from our wonderful President "Clinton". Just
    like the perfumed prince Generals, Hackworth used to write about. Which all
    you Libs love so much. Oh, you all are still for the war on terror aren't you. Or
    just want the dimm-o-craps back in power.

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    The only way to find out for sure is to invade. The program is now stoped and the threat neutralized.
    Saddam was ALREADY neutralized, idiot. Why did he not use those vast stockpiles of WMDs to protect his own ass?
    Marines and soldiers are ASKING to re-enlist and go back for more.
    And others want to leave.
    Why don't you get a job stocking at night at Wal Mart and let the Soldiers do there job?
    I would've preferred we sent even more if we were going to go. Rummy sent in just enough to fail. The soldiers do their job - he's not doing his.
    Maybe you can sell used clothes or that baby superstore?
    Nice ramble, old fart. Maybe you compare liver spots with X-ray.

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    ^^Well, the lib, Chump is doing his usual thing. Being a Chump. You would think
    a young guy like him, with his pseudo intellect would learn. But they never do.

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    Learn what? Age does not necessarily provide wisdom.

    Most of my posting here has been about the Iraq war. I have been called out about my political beliefs by smarter people than yourself, and after jumping through their hoops (politcal compass test) gave the results which I gave you as well. Now all you old folks can come up with when I ask where the WMDs are is socialist toenails and baby superstores?

    What kind of men are you?

    Men who don't know where any WMDs are.

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    ^^Hey dummy, he used them. That is where they were! Now what did he
    do with them after he used them. That is the question. But you couldn't
    figure that out for yourself. Had to have an old man explain it to you. But
    maybe, if you pay attention to life, you might get a little wisdom.

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    I know he used them.

    In the 80s.

    I don't need an idiot to tell me that.
    Now what did he
    do with them after he used them. That is the question.
    No, that was MY question.

    Quit telling me that Saddam was using WMDs when Reagan was in office. We didn't invade because of that. You know you were rooting for him back then against Iran and really didn't give a about WMDs, so don't get all retro-indignant about that.

    Where are all the WMDs that the George W. Bush administration claimed were in Iraq on the eve of the invasion of March 2003?

    That should be clear enough for even old men to understand that I'm not talking about a quarter century ago.

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    ^^Hey ask the dimm-o-craps that question too. They said he had them.
    All the countries of the world said he had them. And it wasn't your question, it
    is all our question. He only has umpteen square miles of dessert to hide things.
    You know like scud missiles, remember those things, he was using them and we
    couldn't find them either. It would be nice if just once one of you pseudo
    intellects decided you are were part of this country and supported it and quit
    taking the side of our enemies.

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    Hey ask the dimm-o-craps that question too.
    No,I'm asking you.
    And it wasn't your question, it
    is all our question.
    Then you are also a traitor for asking it.
    He only has umpteen square miles of dessert to hide things.
    You know like scud missiles, remember those things, he was using them and we
    couldn't find them either.
    We didn't invade Iraq because we thought they had 40-100 SCUDs.
    It would be nice if just once one of you pseudo
    intellects decided you are were part of this country and supported it and quit
    taking the side of our enemies.
    It would be nice if you could answer the question I gave you. I am completely justified in asking this question - just because you can't answer it and it makes you uneasy doesn't mean you can try calling me a traitor and get away with it.

    you.

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    I know he used them.

    In the 80s.

    I don't need an idiot to tell me that.No, that was MY question.

    Quit telling me that Saddam was using WMDs when Reagan was in office. We didn't invade because of that. You know you were rooting for him back then against Iran and really didn't give a about WMDs, so don't get all retro-indignant about that.

    Where are all the WMDs that the George W. Bush administration claimed were in Iraq on the eve of the invasion of March 2003?

    That should be clear enough for even old men to understand that I'm not talking about a quarter century ago.
    It's starting to look like they were moved to Syria. There, straightforward enough for you?

    But, back to the original thread issue...

    McCarthy is not a courageous American hero citizen exercising her First Amendment rights against an outrageous government policy. If there are no restrictions enforced by law, then there are no secrets. McCarthy is a traitor, someone who leaked top secret information and damaged our national security, risked the lives of Americans fighting a war, and disrupted our relations with nations that had been working with us against a new kind of enemy. McCarthy was an employee, not a policy maker. She has never been elected by the American people or appointed by the President to a position that would have en led her to disclose that information. (And neither have the senators and congressmen who have leaked facts just as sensitive as those McCarthy passed on to Dana Priest.) Comparing McCarthy’s crime to the President’s decision to reveal details of a National Intelligence Estimate is a political argument based on a falsehood. The PPresident is the ultimate classification authority. When he decides to reveal information he is exercising one of the powers of the office to which he was elected.

    McCarthy took advantage of the position she had been entrusted and violated her legal obligations. Serving in the CIA’s inspector general’s office, she had a special responsibility. The IG’s office is legally authorized to be privy to compartmented information, the highest level of classification. Other CIA employees only see bits and pieces of such information because the compartmentalization system is designed to prevent all but a few top people to see all the pieces and know what they mean in the larger context. She violated her highest duty because her political beliefs were opposed to the policy that the President had established. Her disclosure was politically motivated. She wanted to thwart the policy of the President, and she achieved her goal by committing a felony. McCarthy should be prosecuted and punished to the fullest extent the law allows. As should her fellow CIA leakers and manipulators of policy.

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    ^^You don't know an answer when it is given. And 4Q2! Typical
    Liberal.

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    "starting to look"?????

    After three years?

    Fabulous.

    As for McCarthy, the CIA can certainly can her -- but I would take issue with your downplaying the secret prisons, and throw your "restrictions enforced by law" back at you for the prison policy itself. I'm sure your Nixonian Imperial Presidency doctrine will be in full effect.

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    ^^He's lost it completely. Full rant mode. Poor Chump he is in the Dumper

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    Is Nixonian too big a word for you, old man?

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    "starting to look"?????

    After three years?

    Fabulous.
    With people like Plame, McCarthy, and Wilson in the intelligence loop, is it any wonder?

    As for McCarthy, the CIA can certainly can her -- but I would take issue with your downplaying the secret prisons, and throw your "restrictions enforced by law" back at you for the prison policy itself. I'm sure your Nixonian Imperial Presidency doctrine will be in full effect.
    Can her? I think she should be tried as a traitor and shot on the front lawn at Langley.

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    With people like Plame, McCarthy, and Wilson in the intelligence loop, is it any wonder?
    With people like Bush and Rummy in charge, it is no wonder at all.
    I think she should be tried as a traitor and shot on the front lawn at Langley.
    Yes, and the Plame/Wilson indictments are being filed right now.

    I appreciate your "no comment" on the prison issue. Good choice.

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    who cares about other bull .. fact is, she leaked secrets... that alone is grounds for firing.. no matter how small or big. she was supposed to not reveal secrets to anyone w/o the need to know, but she told reporters.. stfu... she is guilty...

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    who cares about other bull .
    More than a few.
    fact is, she leaked secrets... that alone is grounds for firing.
    I said they were within their rights as far as that goes.

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    DEVELOPING: Another twist to the McCarthy story...

    April 24, 2006 - A former CIA officer who was sacked last week after allegedly confessing to leaking secrets has denied she was the source of a controversial Washington Post story about alleged CIA secret detention operations in Eastern Europe, a friend of the operative told NEWSWEEK.

    The officials, who asked for anonymity because they were discussing sensitive information, said that McCarthy had been fired after allegedly confessing during the course of a leak investigation based heavily on polygraph examinations that she had engaged in unauthorized contacts with more than one journalist regarding more than one news story. The only journalist so far identified by government sources as one of the unauthorized persons with whom McCarthy admitted contact is Washington Post reporter Dana Priest, who last week won a Pulitzer Prize for revealing details of a secret airline and prison network that the CIA operates to detain and interrogate high-level Al Qaeda suspects.

    Priest’s most contentious story, published by the Post last November, alleged that the CIA had been “hiding and interrogating some of its most important Al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe.” Even though the Post said it decided, in response to administration appeals, not to identify the Eastern European countries involved in secret CIA detention operations, intelligence officials said at the time that the story caused potentially serious damage to agency activities. The officials said the CIA would filing a “crime report” with the Justice Department regarding possible leaks of classified information. (Eric C. Grant, public affairs director of the Washington Post, says none of the paper’s reporters has been subpoenaed or talked to investigators in connection with this matter.)

    While acknowledging that information about the CIA operations was indeed available from unclassified sources, intelligence officials maintain that revelations like those made in the Post story about Eastern Europe could not have been put together without input from people who had access to classified information. These informants could confirm the stories and add detail to them. But the fact that McCarthy evidently is denying leaking the CIA prison story to the Post—and that other key information for stories revealing CIA detention and rendition operations originated with unclassified sources—does raise questions about how far the Bush administration will be able to press its crackdown on suspected leakers.

    Two official sources familiar with the inquiry which led to McCarthy’s firing cautioned that news reports indicating that McCarthy was aggressively being pursued by the Justice Department for possible criminal violations were ahead of the facts.

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    The McCarthy case troubles some former U.S. intelligence officials, who note that the CIA, while aggressively pursuing leaks to the news media, has failed to take disciplinary action against any of its officials for the widely acknowledged intelligence failures of recent years. “Nobody got fired for September 11 and nobody gets fired for but they fire someone for this?” said one former U.S. senior intelligence official. In the case of the September 11 attacks, a report by the same Inspector General’s office where McCarthy worked recommended the convening of CIA disciplinary boards for a number of current and former officials. But CIA director Porter Goss rejected the recommendation and has refused to allow even an unclassified version of the inspector general’s report to be publicly released. Sen. Ron Wyden, a Democrat from Oregon, sent the CIA two letters seeking a public disclosure of the inspector general’s findings—one only a few weeks ago—but has yet to get a response.
    MSNBC

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    I appreciate your "no comment" on the prison issue. Good choice.
    I'm perfectly okay with secret prisons and renditions for enemy combatants or leaders taken from a field of battle or their homes in a foreign country.

    Direct enough?

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    I am in no way surprised.

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    I am in no way surprised.
    Good

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