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    Bernie Lincicome has moved to Sacramento and taken a new name??

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    subject: “D” not defined as dirty play



    Re: “Kings, play some ‘D’ – or earn an ‘F’”


    I must admit, shamelessly, that I am a fan of defense. No, it is not the running and gunning style of play that draws me to the game (attributed often to the likes of the Mavericks, and more specifically, the Suns); it is the hard-nosed, in-your-face style of defense that really gets me going.

    As a Spurs fan, I have been exposed to this approach almost overwhelmingly so, and I would only be naïve in attributing my preferences to anything but. It is nothing short of poetic that the Spurs use this defensive approach to the game in defense of their third le.

    So I understand where you are coming from.

    I understand that it creates a certain amount of frustration to see an opponent run to 73-39 halftime lead and conclude with a 122-88 win. In fact, I would be entirely sympathetic if you broke several expensive electronics in response, and to that extent, my empathy allows for a basic level of emotional anger directed towards the Spurs. It is understandable. It is natural. It is logical.

    What is not logical, however, is to take that anger onto a public stage.

    As a journalist, it is my understanding that you have a certain amount of obligation, both toward your readers and toward your editors, to act in a manner appropriate for a public figure in your position. I am sure you are well aware of your responsibility to rise above the drama and bickering that is typical of the events you cover, and instead to offer a unique and palatable perspective of the event to your reading audience.

    Anyone can start a fight. It is the journalist’s job to tell why it happened.

    So given your response, I feel I can safely draw a comparison to the parents who involve their children in little league sports for the express purpose of instilling a sense of fairness and humility, then rush the field or attack the officials when a call does not go their way. These actions are thoroughly reprehensible, and in almost all cases, there is absolutely zero evidence to strengthen an argument on the parents’ behalf.

    I quote from your article, directly, “The options against the defending world champs are all physically painful, yet given the alternatives, better than anything else that comes to mind….. One would hope that, at least for a night, they could emulate the world champs and make a little noise. Heck, why not "Pop" someone once in a while?”

    As an assumingly respectable adult, you should be able to see that there are, in fact, alternatives, albeit ones that may not agree with your preferences.

    Parents enroll their children in sports so they can learn that they do not always win, and when they do lose, they learn how to act as adults. They are taught not to throw a bat, or a ball, or an elbow, but instead to give a smile, a nod, and shake hands with their opponent.

    It is the game, after all, that draws the children to the field, and fills arenas with fans. It is the compe ion that will forever keep us enamored with professional sports, and by its very definition, we are to expect the occasional loss, and retaliate with further devotion, not physical rebuttal.

    Strike three. You’re out. Game over. Time to smile, shake hands, and carry yourself as an adult. Not throw the very elbows our breeding has taught us to avoid.
    Email sent.

    Normally I would close in, politely, asking her to go to , although it appears she is already in a far, far worse place.

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    Email sent.

    Normally I would close in, politely, asking her to go to , although it appears she is already in a far, far worse place.

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    One wonders if she missed the Elbows that Artest threw at Manu and Tim later in the game! I don't think the Kings really needed any encouragement to play dirt. I expect Tuesday's game to be more physical and I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of extra elbows from artest. I plan to lead the Boo birds in Section 217 on Tuesday anytime Ron Artest touches the ball!

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    Artest might buy into this but im not sure bibby would give an elbow but he might surprise me.

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    We've seen this before - last year, 1st round against Denver, the writers in Denver were calling for the same cheap shots. It's pathetic.

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    Funny, I thought I did see them resorting to cheap shots in Game 1 and it still didn't help them any.
    I agree, that one Ron had on Manu pissed me off!


    But I think this is a little of both, this person wants hard defense from the Kings, but explaining with detail makes u wonder.

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    The only thing I would tell that guy is... "how's your fishin?" heheh

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    Just goes to show you that the majority of the women outside of this site who think they know something about basketball actually don't.

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    stern will see this article has called the refs anything ron does with the elbows that is close to a flagrant will be one now

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    and the king players can thank this female

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    idiotic bitter columnist overreacting after seeing Artest get busted in the mouth and then his team get humiliated on national television by a far superior team. He's taking it a bit too personally and needs to check himself into anger management immediately. Perhaps it'd be best if he did this after the series.

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    I wish Pop would have sent the foul of Artest's elbow to Manu's head to the league. That should have been a FF2 and ejection, maybe a suspension.

    Isn't everything from neck up an auto FF2?

    Reminded me of Artest's elbow to Rip's throat a couple years ago.

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    I just heard Don and Dave talk about this on Sports Sunday. Afterwards they brought in another Bee columist who is in town, Sam Amick, to talk about what the Kings need to do to do beter. Umm. P.S. There isn't anything.

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    same every year....can't stop parker or ginobili.....so lets hack 'em and see if the officials make the calls.
    You'd think they'd be used to it by now.
    That's probably the only way they can stop Manu and Tony.
    On the other hand, Sacramento did pack it in, which forceed them to drive and kick out to an open man. It wont make a difference what the Kings do If the spurs are knocking down their outside shots.

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    What is this 's email?
    What was this thread about? I completely forgot w/ that signature of yours... lol

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    I think he means hard defense obviously not HURT someone jsut for the purpose of hurting them. The same thing was said about the Raptors when they let Kobe rack up 82 points. Barkley said that would never have happened if he had been playiing, one hard foul to lay his ass on the ground and he would think twice about driving to the lane. I hate it when silly things like this get taken out of proportion. If you don't foul hard when someone is driving to the lane then they will continue to exploit that option...as Parker does, BECAUSE HE CAN!

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    Whatever her reasons, the League will now be watching Artest very closely for the next few games.

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    EN today said Artest's elbow is under review. I expect it to be a FF1, but the reprocutions of this will last all series.

    If there is one thing Stern dislikes more than the Spurs, it's Artest.

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    Hard defense or cheap shots?
    Everyone knows that some extracurricular actions go on in games, especially during the playoffs, but I was surprised that a columnist would advocate things that would clearly be designed to inflict injuries on the opposing players.

    Those illegal fouls are more than just holding onto a shirt or bumping someone off their spot.

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    My first reaction at the article was that I was pissed off and incredulous that anyone should advocate beating opposing players up to make them think twice about repeating their actions (and my thoughts going back to last year's Denver and Seattle games where those teams did the same thing and still lost). But then Manu singlehandedly made that move in his first possession...but it seemed to scare everyone on Sac's team. I guess Artest uses his mouth too much and Miller just didn't want to get hit in the nuts again. Although ESPN's commentators were awful, I agreed with them that Manu was making a statement off the bat that the Spurs weren't going to be anyone's . But beyond that one incident, I didn't see anything overtly agressive, just good basketball. Turning thuggish because you don't know how else to stop someone just leads to an earlier vacation at the fishing lake. Once it got down to just the Spurs and the Pistons last year it was nice to just be able and enjoy watching the game the way it should be played. I'm not a Detroit fan, but I respect them because they don't resort to the tactics the other teams do who know they're holding on the the post season by a thread.

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    Meh...

    I was saying the same thing in 05 when Manu was ripping the Pistons. Foul him...hard. Thats basketball.

    Guards dont play in the trees without getting a few splinters.

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    Here's my email to her:


    I read your recent column in the Sacramento Bee, and I cannot tell you how disappointed I was in the theme of your article. You purport yourself to be a professional sports reporter? I call foul.

    To entice, request, recommend, suggest, or even remotely desire one professional athlete to intentionally attempt to injure another is unacceptable. It's unacceptable for humans to wish injury on other humans, even in the most primitive and rustic situations. But, to want to see it happen in the arena of what used to be one of the most civilized and gentlemanly sports available is reprehensible. One of the reasons this sport has developed the aura of "thuggery" is taunts like the ones in your column. It flies in the face of human decency and good sportsmanship.

    I would like to think you were not serious. But, have you thought of the impact of your words on impressionable young people looking to you for guidance? Have you thought of the impact of your words on people who are just looking for a reason to be violent?

    Better yet, have you thought of the impact of your words on the fans of the team whose players you want to see these things happen to: "a subtle forearm into the Frenchman's midsection/land an elbow to the hip (of Ginobili)/extend an arm and nick a wrist (of Barry, Van Exel, or Finley)"? It does not give us a very positive impression of your city, its media, or fans of their basketball team.

    That, ma'am is not inventive or innovative defense. That is not sportsmanship in any form or fashion. That is not the spirit of the game of American basketball. What is it? It is thuggery in its ugliest form possible in the world of sports: cheap shots; it is poor gamesmanship; it is what gives this country a bad name abroad (and right here at home, too); it is what leaves a bad taste in the mouths of those who might have looked on the series between the Sacramento Kings and the San Antonio Spurs as a good clean fun fight between two respectable teams on a hardwood court with a round ball and two nets... a good clean fight and nothing more. It is a misuse of your craft and you should be ashamed of yourself. I am ashamed of you.

    Every foul the Sacramento players commit from now on will be suspect. In the back of everyone's mind will be the question…"Was that intentional? Did he mean to hurt our player?" Did you not think anyone from the enemy city (apparently as you perceive it) would read your smarmy, contrite, vicious little article? Did you not think we would take it to heart if we did? Your article was not cute and it certainly was not funny, whatever your intentions.

    We did read it, and I have to tell you that I will never again respect you as a reporter as I have in the past, having read many of your articles. I will never again respect your newspaper, either, as I have in the past; they are, after all, the ones who published your vile tripe.

    I wish the Kings well in this series. They are worthy opponents. I hope both teams continue to play with dignity and grace. I hope there are no injuries on either side.




    signed:
    Proud San Antonio Spurs Fan since 1973

    (I'll let you know if she responds)

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    If you can't beat them, hurt them. This gets old. We've seen this before from Denver/Seatle last year this year is the newer and suckier version of hack-a-spur.

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