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how can duncan play great if he only take 6 shots a game lol hes doing fine and were winning thats all that matters
i don't know about that. sure he looks fresh but he doesn't have any confidence on his offensive moves... he's really tentative when he's posting up and the only consistent move he has is that semi hook to the middle of the lane which if it doesn't fall for him makes him an average offensive center...
how can duncan play great if he only take 6 shots a game lol hes doing fine and were winning thats all that matters
I disagree.
Orlando did that in their last visit here and Tim went nuts. While the Spurs lost that game, it showed the Spurs and the rest of the league that Tim still could put up commanding numbers.
Even though the Spurs lost, which was because almost nobody decided to show up (I'm aware of the fact that Tony and Manu were injured, respective nations, but Pop said it), it showed that Tim is still more than simply a legitimate threat to take over a game.
Couple that with Tony and Manu over the course of the season, Playoff Manu, Playoff Horry and Brent "Trade My Ass, Will Ya" Barry and the Spurs have what they didn't between 2000-2002.
They didnt have it from 2003-2005 either then because no way the spurs raise banners in '03 or '05 without Duncan playing like Duncan....granted he wasnt exactly vintage Duncan last year either..... but he was still better than this year's version.
That's just it.
Tim doesn't have to flip a switch anymore for the Spurs to win.
How many people last season thought Manu deserved Finals MVP?
Tim still serves as the primary option, with secondary options that can take over when necessary.
In 2004, this was supposed to be our Playoff Manu, 2006 Barry and Robert Horry.
I happened to find this on a search for the thoughts in this thread. From About.com
Does anybody remember Hedo not wanting to drop his purse to reach for a ball six inches away from him that he let skip out of bounds?So it will be Turkoglu's job to act as the wingman to dish off to when the double-team comes on Tim Duncan. It's all too perfect ... and that's why Turkoglu's pathetic 6.8 scoring average vs. L.A. during the regular season disturbs us. Perhaps he's still scarred from his years in Sacramento, but he'll need to step up and deliver more than the combined 23 shots he took in four games against the Lakers this season.
Now, we've got the options I mentioned above.
Tim no longer needs to flip the switch. He needs to have the ability to make opposing teams think he can.
For those that like looking at car wrecks...Hedo's 2004 playoff stats.
Code:Year Ag Tm Lg | G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS| FG% 3P% FT%| MP TRB AST PTS| 2004 24 SAS NBA| 10 271 26 81 14 42 11 18 45 15 9 1 16 20 77| 32 33 61| 27 4.5 1.5 7.7|
Would have been nice if Hedo has shown what he has shown in Orlando with the Spurs.
As far as your contention about Manu last year in the finals-- sure whatever, but do you honestly think Tim with 14 points and 9 rebounds can win a le for the spurs?
NO.
Hedo always shows what he's done in Orlando from November to April. To paraphrase Kori Ellis...
"When the calendar turns playoffs, Hedo's nuts shrivel up."
My point is this...why does Tim get 14 and 9 and the Spurs collectively win this season? It's because not only does Tim still command the respect of an MVP, but because he can still be the MVP when necessary.
While teams are planning more and more for Tony and Manu, they'd be damned if Tim Duncan beats them.
I think if Tim has to take over games and bring down 29 and 18 this post-season, we're screwed because it means somebody else's shots aren't falling.
Tim can command the game like he used to, a quiet high double-double. I just don't believe that this season, he'll need to.
The Pistons arent going to double cover Tim. And frankly, if Tim isnt rebounding--who will? If the spurs come out flat like the did last night against an elite team they arent going to get back in the game without Duncan.
I will totally agree with you on that point.
Getting killed on the boards last night was sickening. I'll take Tim grabbing 16 boards over him scoring 26 anyday.
Spurs had a comfy 9-10 point lead with Duncan in.
The bullstink calls against both he and Horry that forced him out hurt our interior defense.
I don't thing we'll get burned again with a crew like last nights.
Then again, Baldetta gets all the big games it seems.
"The Pistons arent going to double cover Tim."
Rasheed all by himself, like Karl Malone, handles Tim pretty well one-on-one.
Tim wasn't needed in game 1, and was in foul trouble for most of game 2. His fouls turned him into "Sulking Tim" and when that happens his game usually goes in the crapper. The refs stopped Tim more than the Kings did.
I think we'll see Tim have a better playoffs then last season when all is said and done.
Last time I checked we had 3 championships? WTF is this talking smack about Timmy?
Little pre mature no?
We are 2 and 0 wtf do you want? And NO you can't get a free gold toilet.
The thing that would concern me if I were a Spurs fan was his defense last night. Raheem was abusing him pretty badly in the low post.
One thing that makes me feel at least more comfortable is that Tim is moving a lot better than last year. His shots just aren't there. You can't really criticize him too harshly because he played limited minutes in both games, and the minutes he did play in Game 2, he had to be very foul-conscious. I'd wait until next round before we determine what he's gonna do. We might even find out this weekend...
As long as the rest of the team are putting up a hundred or more.... , yeah.
This is not the "walk it up the court and get in the half court set and run everything through Tim" team that we have had in the past.
I also thinks what makes this team so dangerous is the deep deep bench, where we can run fresh players in and out all night long.
I see no reason we can't win another championship with Tim doing just what he has done the first two playoff games.
Would I like to see him playing better than he is? Damn right.
But we have the "true team concept" in this team this year. You don't have to rely on Duncan going for 25 and pulling down 18 boards for this team to win.
WTF? Didn't Artest tell you the Kings were the team to beat? Are you saying you don't believe him?
Well, I don't know about the "team to beat". But the Kings are by far better now that they were the first half of the season.
I actually thought they were probably they worst draw we could get of all the possibilities.
They may not be an "elite" team, but they can play with anyone right now.
Yeah, he does. Duncan plays like he did last night and the Spurs are finished.
Yeah this is what Im worried about, when Tim is single covered, where are the open looks going to come from?
Er sorry....let me rephrase... when the spurs play a team that has elite level talent on the defensive side of the ball they will be in trouble.WTF? Didn't Artest tell you the Kings were the team to beat? Are you saying you don't believe him?
Well, I don't know about the "team to beat". But the Kings are by far better now that they were the first half of the season.
I actually thought they were probably they worst draw we could get of all the possibilities.
They may not be an "elite" team, but they can play with anyone right now.
Vashner I have long ago learned not to entertain this kind of bull with a response.... I am impressed though, you manage to make an ass of yourself on the spurs forum too?
Quite simply Duncan will not dominate if the offense does not start running through him more. This means Ginobili and Parker will have to tone it down more if Duncan is to become his old self again, IMO
yeah i think a ton of teams are making a big mistake in double team Tim. He no longer deserves to be double teamed. I think even if the PF goes away, his offensive game has deteriorated so badly that he almost will have to relearn his bank shot because he hasn't had it for so long. Bill Simmons said it best in his chat when he said the spurs can't repeat if TD is only gonna average 14-10. It's not about running more offense through him its just that almost EVERY shot duncan takes he just chucks it up there praying that it'll somehow go in. he just flails his arms after he shoots tryin to draw a non existing foul then complaining about it. He def. looks more aggressive, and his PF isn't bothering him anymore, but without Timmy getting at least 20 ppg on average as oppose to him having a 20 point night being a cause for celebration, we aren't gonna go very far at all. If anything, hopefully he can pick it up defensively and maybe barry and finley can make up for TD's offensive liabilities
I agree with JB47--Tim doesn't need to be a monster on offense, but he does need to show up every night on defense, with a lot more focus than he's shown lately. It's a cliche but true that you can't control whether your shot goes in on any given night, but you can control the way you defend, through the effort you put out. If Manu, Tony and the bench continue to perform at this level, and Tim becomes more consistently assertive on defense, plus if we get a few lucky breaks like last night's, we have a good chance of beating the Pistons in the Finals.
I agree with everything you said except for PF not bothering him anymore. I saw him try to bank in some shots at the very end of the season and if someone closes on him he shanks it.
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