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Uh oh, Jimcs50 posted it was a done deal.
It is sure to go to someone else now.
Now Nash knows who to blame when he doesn't win.
Who were these other players?
Uh oh, Jimcs50 posted it was a done deal.
It is sure to go to someone else now.
Now Nash knows who to blame when he doesn't win.
Who doesn't belong on this list
Tim Duncan, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Moses Malone, Steve Nash.
Jordan
Bird
Magic
Robinson
Malone
Olajuwon
Drexler
Barkley
Duncan, Kobe, KG, AI, Lebron, Nowitski will all be considered some of the greatest when all is said and done; AND each has more value RIGHT NOW than Nash - Nash & that system fit perfectly, so he puts up sick numbers. He was never a candidate in Dallas; despite a team that won as much or more.
Stockton is the perfect example of why this award has changed so much.
AI - Kidd - Nash; only Duncan and KG have broken the trend of that year's "trendy" guard who is on the team with the big turnaround who wins the award.
Is there a question here?
List of what?
American born players?
Duncan and Nash.
Frickin b2b MVP's dumbass
Everyone has different criteria I guess.
Stockton is a bad example for comparison because he played with Karl Malone every year.
I don't know that Nash would get my vote if I had one but he is clearly worthy of consideration this season.
Bill Simmons said in his chat that Stockton should have grown out his hair and stopped playing defense.
Dan Patrick is reporting that Nash has won and the voting wasn't even close.
Surprising. I figured if Nash had won that he'd of edged it out by a vote or two.
Good for him though. The Suns play like the team that won all of 28 games a few years back when he's not in the lineup.
Wuh. Eek. Nash had an all-star alongside him this year, and two last year. While we are on the subject of teammates, how do the Suns players match up with Thurl Bailey and Blue Edwards talent-wise? Besides, how did Karl Malone make Stockton a better defender?
I thought Nash deserved it last year because there was little compe ion, but given the other legitimate candidates in this year's pool I'm a little surprised he won again.
I sort of agree with how Bill Simmons defined the MVP... when you look back on the 2005-2006 Regular Season, which player do you think of first? And I think he's right to suggest it's Kobe or Lebron, not Nash.
My MVP is still Dirk, because I think he was every bit as spectacular (season-long) as Lebron and Kobe, though he may not have had as many standout performances... so he was somewhat overlooked. Nash just didn't seem to have the kind of year those three guys had.
That said, you have to give him credit for keeping the Suns among the elite despite their injuries and player turnover. "Steve Nash: Two Time MVP" doesn't sound right to me either, but it's not the greatest crime in sports history...
Dirk lost Finley and had injuries to key players all year, yet his scoring went up a only half a point while every other stat went down. I'm missing the spectacularness here...
The lakers barely made the playoffs, how do you give the MVP to a guy who's team almost misses the playoffs 2 years in a row versus a guy who leads his team to back to back division les while returning 1 other starter besides himself? Nash has done more with less then kobe has, trust me put nash on the lakers and they win that division.
This is part of it also. They lost an All-Star performer and still won the division and 50+ games. Mostly because of Nash.
Nash has been the catalyst for the best offensive team in the league for about 5 years now.
If it was the best player award then the defensive argument would mean more to me. The problem I have with the Stockton argument is he had one player (an MVP candidate) that recieved most of his assists.
To me the MVP is the player that is most valuable to their team's success in a given season.
Some people think it should be someone other than Nash and they have good points. I don't think we should say that Nash is not a candidate because he won last year.
Here's another thing to think about, how many players had the best year of their careers this year for the suns? Marion, Bell, Diaw, Barbosa, House, James Jones! how many players had career years for the lakers? smush parker? Same thing with the mavs. Do Dirk and Kobe make the players around them better? Not the way Steve Nash does! Just look at that list of suns, how many people thought diaw or james jones were good players? nobody, that is until they played with steve nash.
Spectacular isn't in numbers. Besides, the Mavs' scoring as a whole went down by 6 points per game.
Dallas as a team was only a couple of games back of the Pistons and the Spurs, and of the three teams, Dirk had the least talented supporting cast. The Mavs' success depended on Dirk every bit as much as the Cavs depended on Lebron and the Lakers depended on Kobe, and they ended up 10-15 games better than both of those teams. Even if you were going to argue that Dirk had a better supporting cast, were they 10 games better?
Where would a team led by Jerry Stackhouse and Jason Terry end up in the standings? It's not like either of those guys has had much success on their own.
I haven't seen anyone suggest that Nash shouldn't be a candidate for MVP, this year or last year. He's a great player, and certainly one of the best at his position in the league. I won't speak for everyone else, but here's why it bothers me: People voted for him this year saying he did a better job with less so he must deserve it since he won it last year, as though that's any justification, because he didn't deserve it last year either, but people voted for him because the Suns won the most games in the league. By that rationale, those same people should have voted for Billups or Parker. They didn't.
I've read people further defending it by saying he scored more points this year. Well, duh, he lost a Amare, Joe Johnson and Q Richardson. Shouldn't he have picked up the scoring more simply because there were more shots to take? That knife cuts both ways. He managed to snare almost one of Amare's nine rebounds that were available per game. Should we give DPOY, too?
Also Nash didn't have the freedom he does now when he played in Dallas. Just watch some of the games when he was still with them and being forced to run pick n' rolls and play in isolation. Plus there he also had dirk and finley who excel in isolation dependent offenses. With the Suns he is the offense. None of those players, with the exception of Marion, can really score one on one. Nash puts them in a position to score and that's what makes everyone of his teammates better. He deserves the MVP.
I was expecting LeBron or Kobe. Nash has already proven that he can take his team to the playoffs.
I think it should have been Dirk just by process of elimination, Nash should not get b2b MVPs
Nash shouldn't have gotten this award. By this process of making teams better James Posey should've gotten the award for the Grizzlies in 2003-2004 by taking a 28 win team to 50 wins. This is insane and bull . Kobe, Lebron, Dirk, Brand, Billups, and Wade are more deserving of this award.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say he deserves the MVP this year because he had a better year than last year, then turn around and say back-2-back MVPs is not a reason to vote against him this year.
Phoenix is in a gimmick system that generates stats. You can't tell me they wouldn't have a better chance at a championship if they had Billups instead of Nash at the point.
Scratch Wade and I agree completely.
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