Nash is the MVP

[1Parker1]

in 15 years, no one will even remember who kobe was

You're right. Everyone will just be saying..."Hey who was that guy who scored 81 points in a single NBA game?" or "Hey, who was that guy who outscored an entire team 63-62 by himself through three quarters?"

[1Parker1]

^

[Medvedenko]

How about the guy who averaged the most points than any other Laker in history and who has the most points in a single season as any other Laker. All the other stats and laker legends he's exceeded and no one will remember him....please.

[mike detroit]

You're right. Everyone will just be saying..."Hey who was that guy who scored 81 points in a single NBA game?" or "Hey, who was that guy who outscored an entire team 63-62 by himself through three quarters?"

good point, I've already forgotten about that. in 2020 or so, everyone will be like who was that selfish asshole that used to play for the lakers.

[mike detroit]

How about the guy who averaged the most points than any other Laker in history and who has the most points in a single season as any other Laker. All the other stats and laker legends he's exceeded and no one will remember him....please.

I know when I talk about great players in NBA history, the first thing i bring up is overall ppg average. that's not what makes you a memorable player. people like jordan are memorable for reasons that don't ever bring their stats into it. lebron will be remembered, kobe will not. if he is, it will be solely for the rape scandal.

[Medvedenko]

How about game winning shots in the playoffs....oh I guess that's scoring....I guess Wilt scoring 100 shouldn't matter...scoring is memorable, especially when you average more than anoyone has since the 80's. Why the am I even discussing this....

[1Parker1]

people like jordan are memorable for reasons that don't ever bring their stats into it. lebron will be remembered, kobe will not..

What has Lebron done so far in his short career that Kobe has not already done in the span of his 10 year career that makes you say that? Kobe is Kobe. Saying that Kobe will not be remembered in 15 years is a weird and inaccurate statement to make of a player who's scored the 2nd highest point total in history, who's won 3 championship rings, and has made countless clutch shots.

[mike detroit]

What has Lebron done so far in his short career that Kobe has not already done in the span of his 10 year career that makes you say that? Kobe is Kobe. Saying that Kobe will not be remembered in 15 years is a weird and inaccurate statement to make of a player who's scored the 2nd highest point total in history, who's won 3 championship rings, and has made countless clutch shots.

that's actually my point. just hear me out, I realize on the first parsing that I sound like a moron here. you're certainly right, kobe has accoomplished a load more than lebron. my whole point though is that lebron has something kobe doesn't have that will, when history speaks about all this make a difference, style. kobe has no style. he's completely unlikable, everyone outside of LA hates him. worse than hating him, when he stops playing, they'll all forget him. don't get me wrong, I'm not saying kobe sucks, he most certainly doesn't. I just don't see him as a memorable player. he won some championships because of a teammate that was dominant, without shaq he's just allen iverson.

[1Parker1]

^If anything this so called "hatred" of Kobe will in itself be something that people remember him by. People can hate him for his ego, over-confidence, etc. but they hate him even more in the end because he backs it up.

And I don't even know what to say if you think Kobe doesn't have a "Style of play" that's unique. Have you seen his fadeaways? What about those twisted layups he makes?

[velik_m]

that's actually my point. just hear me out, I realize on the first parsing that I sound like a moron here. you're certainly right, kobe has accoomplished a load more than lebron. my whole point though is that lebron has something kobe doesn't have that will, when history speaks about all this make a difference, style. kobe has no style. he's completely unlikable, everyone outside of LA hates him. worse than hating him, when he stops playing, they'll all forget him. don't get me wrong, I'm not saying kobe sucks, he most certainly doesn't. I just don't see him as a memorable player. he won some championships because of a teammate that was dominant, without shaq he's just allen iverson.

i like kobe and i'm not from LA.

[Despot]

in 15 years, no one will even remember who kobe was

Dude, that statement is idiotic on so many levels.
I really don't like Kobe, but from what I have seen this year, I have come to respect him as a basketball player. And in case you are forgetting, Kobe is 27,
and given that he truly loves basketball, and that BB is his life, he could easily play at least 10 - 13 more years, more if he is willing to come off the bench.

[ShoogarBear]

in 15 years, no one will even remember who kobe was

Who said this? I can't remember.

[Despot]

Of course, if the Spurs meet the Lakers in the WCF, which is very possible, I'm sure all the Kobe love will vanish from this forum for a couple of weeks, and most of us will agree with you that "Who was kobe" will be a question on Joepardy in a few years.

[word]

It's a jo-par-ar-dee, bu-uh-dee....

[Slinkyman]

Who's the MVP now es? The real MVP wouldn't lose a 3-1 lead in a playoffs series, period. Kobe = Tmac, overrated ball hog. STEVE NASH IS THE SHIZNITE!

[Dre_7]

Who's the MVP now es?

Lebron James

[Slinkyman]

Lebron James

you misspelled Steve Nash

[JMarkJohns]

What a difference a week makes....


As I maintained all along, this series should have no bearing on one's opinion of whom the MVP was since it was an award given for the regular season.

Don't like it, sorry.

[NCaliSpurs]

Yeah, you come out of the woodwork.

Way to come out strong once your team gets embarassed and barely passes their first test.

[TDMVPDPOY]

nash allowed the fakers to go 3-1 on them, to make kobe look like a real mvp, only to be exposed when nash took over

nash should just hand over that mvp to tim duncan

[JMarkJohns]

Yeah, you come out of the woodwork.

Way to come out strong once your team gets embarassed and barely passes their first test.

way to fact check...

Agreed. This is my one gripe and it has nothing to do with the officials.

I was too busy being disappointed in Nash's incompetance to notice any officials wrongdoing. I suppose the timeout, but can we, from our seat with the privelage of replay, really know whether or not the ref, who's an arms length away from screaming fans, heard Nash? Nash certainly wasn't able to signal for it, since he had his hands wrapped around the ball (well, sort of).

I was encouraged by Phoenix's play that game. They really played well, save for their inability from behind the arc. Going home, I think they win and gain enough confidense to at least battle for game 6 in LA.

tough game, but winning is making the plays when your shots aren't falling and the Lakers made, the Suns didn't, let's move on.

EDIT: That picture is tough. Was the foot in bounds when the jumpball call was made? If not, then I guess that pic proves the Lakers were out of bounds. Oh well... suck it up and move on. Hopefully this is fuel for their fire and they finally play like they are capable of, all guns a blazin' at the same time for the next few games.

Diaw and Marion finally remembered it's win or go home last game. Hopefully Nash avoids the bonehead plays and House or Barbosa can come off the bench and chip in a dozen points or so.

If not, then can a Suns fan honestly say that Phoenix has been outplayed? Outhustled? Outcoached?

As of now, even in their one win, your can easily answer "yes" to every question above.

I said on another board...

This series, and three more games.

That should be a total of five games, if by some chance the Suns win this series.


That said, if you've been following this series, the officials have allowed an increasing amount of physical contact, if not excessive physical contact and have chalked it up to it being the playoffs.

Anybody see the Brown/Diaw or Walton/Thomas fouls? C'mon.

League set the precedent by immediately allowing it, then not punishing it when it got excessive. IMO, while Bushleague (and it was), the Lakers have gotten away with crap similer to this all series long. Maybe not gotten away fully, as flagrants and tech's were assessed, but no one has been suspended.

Shame the League allowed this to boil over by not cracking down on what is a trademark of Jackson coached teams; excessive physical force and play to the point where it's literal bullying and even borders on thuggish.

But then, you're such a preening ass, what else should I expect.?!


I've posted upwards of 20 times here, a Spurs site on these, my precious Suns... I believe that's enough.

[Pero]

in 15 years, no one will even remember who kobe was

Who said this? I can't remember.

Anyway, I think Nash proved the he is a a worthy candidate for another MVP le.

[Darrin]

Anyway, I think Nash proved the he is a a worthy candidate for another MVP le.

Yes, he is. He and his team needed 7 games and a 3-1 deficit versus the LOS ANGELES LAKERS! They've beat some heavyweights, haven't they? Memphis, that's never won a playoff game. Dallas that didn't play any defense, and the Lakers who were very young.

Candidate, sure. Two-Time winner, third guard in NBA history with 2 MVPs? Winning over Chauncey Billups, who had a full assist more on his assist-to-turnover ratio, and a full 10 games on Nash this season?

Head-to-Head Matchup:
Chauncey Billups: .553 FG%, 31.0 ppg, 8.0 apg, 2.5 rpg, 3.0 tpg.
Steve Nash: .357 FG% 15.5 ppg, 8.5 apg, 1.0 rpg, 4.0 tpg

April 2, 2006 - Pistons 109, Suns 102: Billups scores 25 of his 38 points in the fourth quarter, including a 30-foot 3-pointer over Steve Nash that gave the Pistons the lead for good in a 109-102 come-from-behind victory at the Palace. The victory gave the Pistons the number one seed throughout the Eastern Conference.

The Pistons were behind by 63-49 at the break after allowing the Suns to shoot 68 percent in the first half. The 63 points are the most the Pistons have allowed in any half this season. They allowed the Suns to shoot only 37 percent in the second half. Mr. Big Shot nailed five 3-pointers after the break, eliciting chants of "M-V-P!, M-V-P!"

Nash said of Billups' performance: "We were fighting a little fatigue and when a guy is making shots like he was - it's not like we were making a lot of mistakes on him - he was just making shots that were incredible."

November 10, 2005 - Pistons 111, Suns 104 - The Pistons, down 89-93 with 7:28 remaining in the game, used Chauncey Billups passing (6 assists) and Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace's scoring (18 points) to claw back into the game. With 16 seconds remaining, and Nash on him, Billups threw up the dagger off a pass from Hamilton as the Pistons out-scored the Suns 24-11 in the final 7 1/2 minutes.

My point is, it's arguable that Steve Nash is the best - shooter, clutch player, scorer, passer, rebounder - at his position, in his era. It's arguable that he's the best player on his team. It's arguable that his team had the best regular season. It's no contest of whether or not he's the best player in the league - no one makes that claim with any sanity. He won this award, admittedly by his supporters, by the "intangibles."

[Texas_Ranger]

Nowitzki >>>> Nash

[TurkishTimDuncan]

I can't understand. Shaq only has one vp. But Nash has two mvp.Mybe Nash is superstar. But he can be never legand player. After 30 years Everybody remenber Duncan shaq. Not nash