And what would you call him? And how many times have you watched him play?
he is a very effective post player and rebounder, especially when mismatched against a smaller player. he is not a good or very great defender, and never has been with portland, memphis, or sacramento. if good rebounding equals good defense then nazr could be a very good defender. he isn't. i have watched him play a good deal over his whole career, and i have never heard anyone call him a very good defender.
Bonzi has potential to be a good defender but doesn't put the effort most of the time.
agreed.
You guys are insane if you don't think that Bonzi is at least a good defender, he's been at least a good defender his whole career dating back to college. He set steals records in college and averaged like 3pg, and he was w/o a doubt one of the Blazers best defenders during their hayday. Anybody that thinks he's an underachieving defender hasn't watched him play enough.
For those calling him a bad defender, let me ask you who would you call a good defender? How about a very good defender?
Ron Artest
You can't be serious with that answer, Artest good or very good defender? Artest is a great defender or even better, he or Ben Wallace is w/o a doubt the greatest defender in the league. There are few great defenders in the league, but Artest is one of them. Thing is though, Artest is better than great on defense and there are maybe a handful or less of those around.
Funny, even with both Wells and Artest the Spurs are still averaging well over 100 points a game for 4 of the 5 games. Defense isnt exactly what's deciding this series unless it's the Spur's defense in the last three minutes of game 5 and OT of game 2.
It's the kings soft frontline that is killing them.
Exactly, Brad Miller is the worst defensive center in the NBA, and his offense hasn't been worth a damn lately either. The Kings are sorely lacking a nice starting PF also, they have no size with Kenny Thomas and SAR, they are undersized for the position. Both can play well for stretches but they aren't really enough to get the job done against the elite.
Bibby can shoot lights out when he gets hot, but someone said he takes ill-advised shots with lots of time on the clock and ding ding ding...that is correct! I (and others) have been ing about that all year.
He was the NBA player of the week in in February with a couple of 40+ point games averaging around 36 PPG.
I don't think he missed a game last year, and he shot under 15 ppg 13 times and under 10 ppg 6 times. Consistancy has been a problem, mainly because before Artest he had to carry the load of shooting/play-making responsibility. And sometimes he gets a bug up his butt for no apparent reason, some here have seen him "partying" before games. He openly discussed his new role as "leader of this team", so there was concern about Artest's seemingly natural ability to lead ruffling Mike's feathers. Unfounded, as it turns out. Bibby isn't a natural leader, doesn't have the personality.
He played a huge role in distributing the ball to Web when they played the Princeton with Vlade at the elbow. He can get hot beyond the arc. He can score off dribble penetration straight down the lane or baseline, but since we don't really have anymore 3 point threats since Peja left (Brad doesn't really count, lol) the lane is usually too clogged. Doesn't stop him from running into three defenders in the paint sometimes when he is desperate, which I loathe.
His role was kinda quashed with the exit (for the most part) of our Princeton Offense when Vlade and Webber left. He can set up plays but still tries to do too much on his own, though since Artest he is a little more relaxed on good days.
As for Brad, he is the worst of the worst on defense. Not even second to Bibby, imo...since it's basically the role of the 5 to defend heavily on that side of the floor.
Our 4's are kind of weak for 4's, but our 3's more than make up for now. We really need a shotblocker and a good backup point. Some of us (fans) would like to see more of Ronnie Price on the floor, nothing but hussle and he can shoot a little too. I don't know what we are going to do about a 5.
What's Rasho's contract look like? We got anything you like?
Rasho and Barry for Kevin Martin and Bibby.
Heh, you gotta love those numbers.
If we can make yet another good showing against you guys Friday, and possibly take you back to your house for ONE MORE good showing...with Bonzi leading the way...good things are bound to happen in Sacramento. You gotta know, with the departure first of Vlade, then Doug Christie..then Web...the morale has been just a little low (and that's putting it mildly). Maloof's were willing to break the bank (and the cap space) for Web, then Bibby, but they got really cheap with Vlade and that scared some here. Hopefully they will right the ship (if warrented) and take their chances with Bonzi and cough up some dough, we may not get to see another opportunity for the kind of cohesiveness our team is starting to build, finally, since "the Webber debacle". I think Maloof's would really be putting their asses on the line if they pissed off the fans again; the Webber trade was hugely controversial and caused a sort of hangover effect that some fans haven't gotten over yet.
We were a great team in 2002, 2003 and before Web went down were the a favorite by some to win in the West. Maloof's know what it's like to be on the winning side, and that right from the gate. Seems to be that biting one of the 14 hands that feed them just doesn't make good business sense!
Heh, you gotta love those numbers.
If we can make yet another good showing against you guys Friday, and possibly take you back to your house for ONE MORE good showing...with Bonzi leading the way...good things are bound to happen in Sacramento. You gotta know, with the departure first of Vlade, then Doug Christie..then Web...the morale has been just a little low (and that's putting it mildly). Maloof's were willing to break the bank (and the cap space) for Web, then Bibby, but they got really cheap with Vlade and that scared some here. Hopefully they will right the ship (if warrented) and take their chances with Bonzi and cough up some dough, we may not get to see another opportunity for the kind of cohesiveness our team is starting to build, finally, since "the Webber debacle". I think Maloof's would really be putting their asses on the line if they pissed off the fans again; the Webber trade was hugely controversial and caused a sort of hangover effect that some fans haven't gotten over yet.
We were a great team in 2002, 2003 and before Web went down were the a favorite by some to win in the West. Maloof's know what it's like to be on the winning side, and that right from the gate. Seems to be that biting one of the 14 hands that feed them just doesn't make good business sense!
You gotta ask yourself is Wells worth $11-13 million per year, because that's what your paying Bibby and Wells is looking for a raise at his current 8$ mil. That would be 2 players at more than $11 million, luckly you do have Artest signed below market value for a few years and Kevin Martin is a bargin. I would say sign Wells but move Bibby.
Wells is gonna be 30, I don't think he'll command what Bibby is making unless he understands the theory of inflation, damn inflation.
Yeah, we got a bargain with Artest. Peja was drawing that for 7-1/2 years, amazing that we could replace him with something better for nothing extra.
We're still over the cap 13 mil, but so is everybody unless you are the Sonics, Bobcats, Hornets or Hawks. It's just a way of life, like credit card debt.
I seriously doubt we part with Bibby but it could happen--only if we can get a good PG back, Hart is a bust. Ronnie Price does well in training camp next year and he is a strong possibility, but Adelman seems to like to go with what he knows, or whatthe ever.
Brad has always talked about going back to Indiana to "retire" and Indiana has always regretted letting him go (if you listen to the fans, anyway). I could see us trading Brad somewhere and Indiana getting a hold of him in a three-way trade, would much rather see that happen then lose the last guy from our "glory days". Plus Brad is so friggin' useless on the block, ugh.
Screw Rasho, Nazr is a free agent this summer, I think he'd be a fine addition to the Kings. Put Nazr at center and move Miller to PF.
Rasho on the move.........DOUBLE DANG!!!!!!! HE's the man against SnaQ and YO!
No way in Bonzi will get that much, if he does it will be from a bottom dweller of a team. If Bonzi wants to play for a good team he'll get paid about what he is now, in the $8-9 mil range. You would sign Bonzi for $11-13 mil and trade Bibby? Brilliant!
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