Why is NVE ahead of Beno in the rotation?

[ploto]

I have preferred Barry all along. You want to get the guys who are playing well onto the court. The best way to get minutes for Barry without "cutting" into Manu, Bruce, and Finley's time on the court is to play him at point guard whenever you can handle the defensive match-up. The ball just moves better when he is out there and he himself plays better with the ball in his hands.

[picnroll]

NBA Playoffs
REBOUNDS PER GAME
G GS MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
First Round
5 0 12.4 3-20 .150 3-8 .375 9-9 1.000 .2 1.2 1.4 1.6 .40 .20 .80 1.60 3.6



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he is shooting 3/20 until now and that is 15%


he simply doesnt deserve to be out there

im not a hater and i like him as a person (looks funny to me) but from a basketball point of view he doesnt bring anything to the table

i would live with Udrih making 1 turnover more per game and making everything else way better than NVE

Scratch out that legendary game 1 and NeVEr is a robust 0-12 in 45 minutes. If we win with him playing 10 minutes just think, we can get blowouts if Pop will just give him 20.

btw Barry has the highest adjusted FG% in the playoffs so far. I sure would rather have Nick the Dribbler getting minutes over Brent.

[spurster]

Eventually it will be Brent as backup PG.

[texas84]

If Nick gets pissed or fired up, which I think he will, he can go nuts from the outside. His drive and finish/dish isn't there anymore, but what he did against Sac in the 2003 playoffs was amazing. If he gets hot, you guys will be in love with him.

[T Park]

look at his first roundn series stats and stop refering to 1 game only

he hardly shot the ball last night and in game 5.

Oh yeah, game 5 he had 4 rebounds and lets see about 4 or 5 assists.

But those don't mean for stats either.

In fact Nick can even dribble the ball, going nowhere until the shot clock runs out

Games in wich Van Exel is first pg off the bench 4-1

Games in wich Beno is 0-1


the one being a complete blowout.


hmmmmmmm

[picnroll]

Wantr to give us NeVEr's +/-'s for the palyoffs. Nevermind, 82games.com will help you out

Production On Court/Off Court Roland
Player Min Own Opp Net On Off Net Rating
Duncan 69% 25.6 15.7 +9.9 +14.1 -0.5 +14.6 +11.3
Ginobili 63% 18.4 12.3 +6.0 +16.0 -1.3 +17.3 +10.2
Mohammed 27% 24.6 11.8 +12.8 +8.5 +9.9 -1.4 +9.0
Udrih 12% 13.8 8.2 +5.7 +31.5 +6.5 +25.0 +8.0
Horry 39% 18.5 9.1 +9.3 +13.1 +7.2 +5.9 +8.0
Parker 71% 23.8 12.2 +11.6 +9.3 +10.0 -0.7 +8.0
Oberto 6% 7.1 10.8 -3.7 +37.5 +7.8 +29.7 -1.8
Barry 48% 24.6 19.3 +5.3 +1.7 +16.7 -14.9 -4.4
Finley 52% 16.9 19.6 -2.8 +5.1 +14.3 -9.3 -5.9
Nesterovic 35% 14.6 22.2 -7.6 +5.7 +11.5 -5.9 -7.0
Bowen 59% 13.3 18.6 -5.3 +3.9 +17.6 -13.7 -8.7
NeVEr 21% 6.9 15.7 -8.8 +1.5 +11.7 -10.1 -9.1

[ShoogarBear]

Wantr to give us NeVEr's +/-'s for the palyoffs. Nevermind, 82games.com will help you out

Production On Court/Off Court Roland
Player Min Own Opp Net On Off Net Rating
Duncan 69% 25.6 15.7 +9.9 +14.1 -0.5 +14.6 +11.3
Ginobili 63% 18.4 12.3 +6.0 +16.0 -1.3 +17.3 +10.2
Mohammed 27% 24.6 11.8 +12.8 +8.5 +9.9 -1.4 +9.0
Udrih 12% 13.8 8.2 +5.7 +31.5 +6.5 +25.0 +8.0
Horry 39% 18.5 9.1 +9.3 +13.1 +7.2 +5.9 +8.0
Parker 71% 23.8 12.2 +11.6 +9.3 +10.0 -0.7 +8.0
Oberto 6% 7.1 10.8 -3.7 +37.5 +7.8 +29.7 -1.8
Barry 48% 24.6 19.3 +5.3 +1.7 +16.7 -14.9 -4.4
Finley 52% 16.9 19.6 -2.8 +5.1 +14.3 -9.3 -5.9
Nesterovic 35% 14.6 22.2 -7.6 +5.7 +11.5 -5.9 -7.0
Bowen 59% 13.3 18.6 -5.3 +3.9 +17.6 -13.7 -8.7
NeVEr 21% 6.9 15.7 -8.8 +1.5 +11.7 -10.1 -9.1

Careful now. By posting this, you just inadvertenly overloaded the systems who argue that both Beno and Rasho should be playing more.

And if Beno could be trusted with handling the ball in tight games, he'd be playing more. Plain and simple.

[A-Train]

I thought NVE did a good job in the 4th last night protecting the ball and running the offense to give TP an extended rest.

[Obstructed_View]

Do you remember when we couldn't even bring the ball up against Detroit?

Actually, no, I don't remember that. Did that actually happen?

[Obstructed_View]

Let's hope yesterday is the last time Pop has to run his banged up point guard into the ground because he has zero confidence in either backup.

[picnroll]

I have no problem with not playing Udrih, give the minutes to Barry. But between NeVEr and Udrih give me Udrih any day.

I'll bet donuts to dollars NeVEr is running out of chances to show he has anything to give as far as Pop is concerned.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I think Kori's explanation of why (the Houston game, which I didn't see) makes sense. Pity, because Beno was playing well before that.

I agree totally with picnroll that the minutes should go to Barry. He provides everything X does but better and more. Barry makes 3s, hustle plays, the odd drive, passes well, protects the ball, and tries hard on the defensive end. X makes the odd 3 and is a liabilty on D. It's sad to see X's body let him down (wish we had him 2 yrs ago), but it has, and the sad fact is he is hardly an NBA player any more.

[T Park]

picnroll just hates Van Exel cause his buttbuddy Udrih s up in the last regular season game, thereby sealing his fate, he just can't accept it.

[T Park]

I thought NVE did a good job in the 4th last night protecting the ball and running the offense to give TP an extended rest.

Whoa now, too many facts..... Can't compliment Van Exel, hes the new forum whippin boy.

[NCaliSpurs]

I thought NVE did a good job in the 4th last night protecting the ball and running the offense to give TP an extended rest.

Do you mean when he was playing so well that we had to put our hobbled point guard back in the game?

[T Park]

Do you mean when he was playing so well that we had to put our hobbled point guard back in the game?

So that was Van Exel's fault Rasho stood with the ball looking stupid, and missing 2 foot hook shots??




It gets better and better

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Please T Park, grow up. We are having a decent debate here, must you lower it to cream-pie throwing?

Are you honestly trying to tell me that Barry wouldn't do a better job with X's minutes? If so, you are clearly deluded and wrong about this as you are with so many other things. Why must you dig holes so deep for yourself?

[picnroll]

I wonder just how bad NeVEr will have to suck before T Park goes reality. Then again I don't think I want to find out.

T Park in case you didn't notice it was NeVEr's mindless dribbling out the clock that was leading to many of the piss poor shots the Spurs were getting in the fourth when he was in.

[Kori Ellis]

And if Beno could be trusted with handling the ball in tight games, he'd be playing more. Plain and simple.

This is the correct answer to every argument regarding Beno vs NVE.

By the way, Nick played really well in game 1 and in game 5 even though his stat sheet doesn't show much.

[picnroll]

What's the correct argument to Barry vs NVE? Whenever TP gets his blow have Manu and Barry on the floor. That's what it's going to come down to if we meet Detroit. Might as well get it going now.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

If we play less small ball against Dallas we're going to have to give Barry minutes at PG just to get him on the floor. He's playing too well to potentially be rotting on the bench.

[timvp]

Barry couldn't guard a point guard four years ago ... he sure as couldn't guard one now. NVE, even though he's not a great defender, played well defensively against Bibby.

Barry is in rhythm right now. You don't want to mess that up by making him the backup point guard all of a sudden.

Beno will get another shot in the playoffs. Hopefully he shows that he's ready beacuse it's better for the team if he wins the backup spot.

But until then, the Spurs are undefeated when NVE plays at least ten minutes in a game in the playoffs. Pop says that NVE gives the team confidence out there and the wins back it up.

[2centsworth]

Barry couldn't guard a point guard four years ago ... he sure as couldn't guard one now. NVE, even though he's not a great defender, played well defensively against Bibby.

Barry is in rhythm right now. You don't want to mess that up by making him the backup point guard all of a sudden.

Beno will get another shot in the playoffs. Hopefully he shows that he's ready beacuse it's better for the team if he wins the backup spot.

But until then, the Spurs are undefeated when NVE plays at least ten minutes in a game in the playoffs. Pop says that NVE gives the team confidence out there and the wins back it up.

nothing against NVE but his value is way overblown. His defense is worse than Nazr. BTW, barry has been the unofficial backup point guard for a while now.

[boutons_]

Nick is dead last in FG% of all playoff players, 166th in FG%, only 15%.

iow, when Nick shoots, it's essentially a TO, and much more frequent than Beno's TO. Beno's playoff AST/TO is also better than Nick's.

I hope Nick contributes soon, because so far he's fairly counterproductive.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

If Nick gets pissed or fired up, which I think he will, he can go nuts from the outside. His drive and finish/dish isn't there anymore, but what he did against Sac in the 2003 playoffs was amazing. If he gets hot, you guys will be in love with him.

The 2003 and 2006 model Van Exels are not comparable. This guy is slow, fat and done. His occasional flurries of hot shooting are not worth the liability this guy is when he is on the floor.