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Complete and utter bull . Can someone send them the video of today's second half? You know, the second half where a supposed MVP candidate gets shut the down?
That was a wicked burn.
My point was that the Pistons got no love in any regular season awards, but they had the best regular season of any team.
I don't think Ben Wallace was > Duncan really.
And I think Bowen was spectacular, but Wallace winning certainly isn't as ridiculous as Nash winning in a landslide.
Complete and utter bull . Can someone send them the video of today's second half? You know, the second half where a supposed MVP candidate gets shut the down?
But the Suns fans will tell you that the past doesn't matter.
I don't think Wallace was the DPOY, but somebody on that team needed to get a regular season award. They dominated the regular season, and only let off the gas when it was clear no one could catch them.
This sums up how I feel as well. I think Bowen is awesome, but he will never be appreciated for how good he really is until he is retired.
don't think Wallace was the DPOY, but somebody on that team needed to get a regular season award. They dominated the regular season, and only let off the gas when it was clear no one could catch them
Bull .
The Spurs had a 63 win season.
A franchise record, where is the recognition for that!?!?!?
It doesn't work like that. Spurs won 63 games, one less than the Pistons, won the best record in the much harder WC, yet not one single Spurs player was considered in the Top 5 for any of the awards (unless you count Bruce finishing 2nd in DPOY voting).
I have moved my outrage about this to my own blog:
http://basketballcommentary.blogspot.com/
Comments are definitely wanted. But I feel like for the most part, ranting about this here is preaching to the choir. Most people here understand how Bowen was robbed - AGAIN. My only solace is that Bowen could give a about this, and DPOY doesn't mean . Only les do. Bowen's still got the edge on Wallace on that one.
True. The Spurs are left out of this too.
I am not saying it is right.
I don't feel like I can win in this argument, because I felt like Bowen deserved it, but I do understand that Wallace was the defensive anchor of a great team that dominated the regular season.
Sure, the Spurs did quite well too, but the Pistons definitely let off the gas at the end and whooped us twice along the way to a 64 win season.
Why should we be outraged? Ben deserved it. He plays great defense.
Of course, I think Bruce deserved it, too, but they can only give one.
I'll believe Wallace as DPOY, but this Nash thing still gets me. They think he has been the league's most valuable player for 2 years in a row now? Any he wins by a landslide over Kobe and LeBron-GET REAL!
I'm gonna throw up. Realy.
Tht's not fair whatever you say it is not fair!!!
NOBODY DESERVES IT MORE THIS YEAR NO BODY!!!
Ask Iverson, Carter, Allen (or maybe not), Kobe, Bosh, Nowitzki, Randolph. !
I'm calling Stern gotdammit!!!
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Eh, it's not really that big of a deal. They both deserve it and either would have been a solid choice...
Nash, OTOH, is a complete joke as B2B league MVP...
.. They both deserves it last year. This year was different
ing candy ass, lazy ass voting is what it comes down to. Jackass voters aren't even watching the games, just checking the first name that comes to mind on defense.
Ben won this award off his reputation the last couple of years, not on what he did on the court this year - Bowen was better. This award should have an asterick next to it.
Ben Wallace - Defensive Player of the Year*
* voted on by a pack of dip s who didn't even watch the games
I told you guys that it was announced last week on Dan Patrick, why are you surprised?
Get over it.
Individual awards are for losers.
The Finals MVP is the only individual award SA will win this year, and that is just fine with me.
I want to see the numbers from the voting. I want to see how idiotic the voters were.
Thanks SB, I was frantically scrolling this thread for a voice of reason.
Bowen will get his 1st team all defense again, how many years is that?
I know you all are upset that your guy was completely snubbed when he was very deserving. But reading this thread, it seems that all of you, with few exceptions, seem to think that Ben doesn't even deserve to be mentioned as a possible DPOY, let alone the winner of said award.
I personally agree that Bowen deserved it this year. Many other Piston fans stated the same in various threads here. But it is not so ridiculious that Ben won.
Unfortunatly, the voters do not see all the games. I dare say members of this board watch and know more about basketball than the voters. They rely on ESPN's sportcenter, and published boxscores. They do not grasp what Bowen does night by night. Likewise though, people think Ben ONLY blocks and rebounds. He IS our defensive scheme, just as Bowen is yours. Most of what Ben does not show up on a boxscore. Also, arguments of Ben can't guard a guard, while Bowen can guard a 7 footer, is just plain stupid. They are different players at different positions, playing defense in a different way. Ben is a help side defender. Bowen is a man to man defender. Saying Ben doesn't guard the quality of player that Bowen does is silly. They defend and guard in a different manner. Bens' job is not to shut down a player, but to close down an area. Bowen is supposed to stick to his man, deny the ball, then force him into bad shots. It's apple and oranges.
Ben's #'s were down. Parlty age? partly being used differently by Flip? I thought it was Bowens year. If not now, when? To me, saying that Bowen will finish his career NEVER winning a DPOY is just as silly as Nash being a 2 time back-to-back League MVP. It sucks, and they got it wrong. But that doesn't mean Ben is a pice of defender.
I suppose many are just venting frustrations, and I shouldn't read too much into it. I know you're mad your boy, once again, didn't get the respect he deserves...but don't turn that into hate on Bens game.
Bowen will feel fine when he wins another ring in June.
Ray Allen phoned all DPOY voters and said not to vote for Bruce.
Not ing true. He's a worthy candidate every year, but give it a ing REST. He's got a ing shelf full of them already.
I congratulated Ben on his first THREE awards. I'll be damned if I do on this one. If that's poor sportsmanship, then so be it.
No, it's not ridiculous that Ben won, but I just didn't think he had quite as good a year this year as last....I personally agree that Bowen deserved it this year. Many other Piston fans stated the same in various threads here. But it is not so ridiculious that Ben won.
I think Bowen just doesn't get the credit for the job he does, because he isn't under the basket all the time to get blocks.
Actually, Ben would have been my second choice this year....
But, I'm sure Bruce will relish the trophy more than the DPOY award....
Did guard Dirk and shut him down at the Palace on March 28th. Arguably the stops he got off Dirk won that game for the Pistons.
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