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    No they didn't.

    In fact, they had a slightly lower winning percentage than MEMPHIS even if you only count the games after they got Artest. Much less Dallas.
    since the beginning of febuary they had the second best record in the league. 1st was san antonio. i dont know what dallas was but they werent 1st or 2nd thats for sure.

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    since the beginning of febuary they had the second best record in the league. 1st was san antonio. i dont know what dallas was but they werent 1st or 2nd thats for sure.
    This is not accurate.

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    This is not accurate.
    Ok, hotshot, instead of continuing with the stuck needle, tell us the truth.

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    so are u saying that this years king's team is better than the 02-03 king's team which consisted of bibby,christie,peja,webber,vlade? with a very good 6th man in bobby jackson?
    because the mavs did beat that 02-03 team and saying the mavs < kings means that this kings team is better than the 02-03 team
    plus this years mavs team is definately better than any other previous mavs team in the past
    what the are you talking about? webber played one ing game in that series and then he hurt his knee. and in that game we blew you es out on your home court. and without our best player we still took you to 7 games. wow you cant even remember the NBA 3 years ago?

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    Ludicrous statement.
    Does this mean that you think the series would go four games and Dallas would win each game by 20?

    Doesn't seem ludicrous. Plus, I am not saying it dogmatically. It's my opinion.

    My opinion isn't based on this game 1 although a lot of games will probably be very close.

    Remember, it's all about matchups. I don't see how a person looking at the matchups would conclude that clearly (in math- no proof is needed because it is so obvious) Mavs would destroy the Kings. I do agree with Boutons that Dallas's defense is somewhat better than the Kings (prior to Artest- much better). I am not crazy about either offense. Dallas does drive to the lane and get some points in the paint from drives, but again no low post player. Bibby can score points in a hurry and Miller does have a great jumpshot. Of course, Miller<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Dirk. Dallas does not share the ball. Too much 1 on 1. Kings are a better passing team and normally shoot about as well. Obviously, Bonzi and Artest are not normally good 3 point shooters.
    Dirk would clearly be the best player in the series.


    To beat the Kings, the Mavs would have to successfully address the matchups. However, it would turn out, it would not be easy. Mavs are a very good team, but the Kings seemed extremely tough. Who guards Bonzi? Who guards Artest? Do you double? What if Miller is hitting his jumpshot?
    If this is a ludicrous statement, how do you match them up?

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    We win one game, and everyone thinks for sure we are winning, its gonna be a sweep, Kings>Mavs, etc. We were down most of the game except in the fourth quarter....no one has any foreknowledge that the Spurs will come out firing and win easily in Game 2. Best of Seven, not Best of One.

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    what the are you talking about? webber played one ing game in that series and then he hurt his knee. and in that game we blew you es out on your home court. and without our best player we still took you to 7 games. wow you cant even remember the NBA 3 years ago?
    Correction, Webber played for nearly 3 quarters of game 2 as well, until his knee went out, one might want to wonder why he was even in the game, I was at the game and I remember 2 things when he went down.

    1. The Mavs were up by 37 late in the 3rd, the Kings weren't coming back, why even have Webber playing heavy minutes?

    2. The Mavericks reached a new playoff record for points scored in one half the place went ing nuts. 83 points

    Oh and I have another one for you, the series would have been over in 6, but even Nick Van Exel will tell you, they took game 4 off.

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    We win one game, and everyone thinks for sure we are winning, its gonna be a sweep, Kings>Mavs, etc. We were down most of the game except in the fourth quarter....no one has any foreknowledge that the Spurs will come out firing and win easily in Game 2. Best of Seven, not Best of One.
    Couldn't agree more.

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    We win one game, and everyone thinks for sure we are winning, its gonna be a sweep, Kings>Mavs, etc. We were down most of the game except in the fourth quarter....no one has any foreknowledge that the Spurs will come out firing and win easily in Game 2. Best of Seven, not Best of One.
    Of course. And if the Mavs win Game 2, the sky will be falling, the Mavs will be winning in 5 or 6 games, Tim Duncan and the Spurs will be irretrievably on a downhill slide, never to return to serious contention, Tony Parker will demand a trade to the Lakers, marijuana will never be legalized, and employers in S.A. will snap to the fact that Latinos everywhere else in the U.S. work their asses off.

    ARMAGEDDON

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    Correction, Webber played for nearly 3 quarters of game 2 as well, until his knee went out, one might want to wonder why he was even in the game, I was at the game and I remember 2 things when he went down.

    1. The Mavs were up by 37 late in the 3rd, the Kings weren't coming back, why even have Webber playing heavy minutes?

    2. The Mavericks reached a new playoff record for points scored in one half the place went ing nuts. 83 points

    Oh and I have another one for you, the series would have been over in 6, but even Nick Van Exel will tell you, they took game 4 off.
    o please if webber was healthy you know we were the better team. you would say the same if dirk was out.

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    Ok, hotshot, instead of continuing with the stuck needle, tell us the truth.
    Record since the all star break:

    dallas
    19-11

    San Antonio
    23-7

    Sacramento
    20-9

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    Record since the all star break:

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    19-11

    San Antonio
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    Sacramento
    20-9
    in other words the kings will be better then the mavs next season but still not on the level of the spurs. i couldnt agree more.

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    in other words the kings will be better then the mavs next season but still not on the level of the spurs. i couldnt agree more.
    There was no opinion tied to that statement. I'm just tired of DumMcDuumb not bothering to look it up. The Kings are going to have a hard time being better without Bonzi Wells.

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    in other words the kings will be better then the mavs next season but still not on the level of the spurs. i couldnt agree more.
    that's a bold statement, i don't see the mavs dropping off much if at all. the kings would need to resign bonzi and have him continue at a high level of play to catch up to the mavs, which bonzi has never really done consistently. the kings are headed in the right direction, though.

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    "the mavs won 60 games."

    The Kings had the 2nd best record in the West after ASB+Artest, but that's not the real indicator.

    The Mavs are better than the Kings because the Mavs have more offensive weapons and play better defense.
    With Artest added and Wells healthy, the Kings defense is near if not better than Dallas. The Spurs/Kings was the 2nd lowest scoring series of the first round. For that, you must give both teams credit.

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    I said it last month- the Sputs toughest opponent, aside from Detroit of course will be the Sacramento Kings. Ron Artest is excatly the type of player that you do not want to face in the opening round. He's extremely physical, he wants to win and he's too stupid to stay down.

    The Kings would beat the Mavs in a best of seven.

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    The Kings would beat the Mavs in a best of seven.
    I doubt this. I'm a big Mavs fan, but I'm not a homer/excuse maker/unrealistic fan. Just because they gave the Spurs a small fit does not mean they match up the same against us.

    Guess we'll never know.. but I'd be pretty confident going into a 7 game series against them. Not gonna say we'd win no question -- that's just dumb. But I wouldn't have huge doubts about it.

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    This comparison between the Kings &. Mavs series is the kind of thing you have to wait and see, and it doesn't mean about which is the better team, it just tells who's a worse matchup for the Spurs..

    Next year we'll see if the Kings > Mavs..(weren't the Kings predicted for this season to take their division this year before injuries?)By this guys logic, last year's Sonics > Suns because they gave us a harder fight which isn't fair because Suns have play with no center to match up with us. Hence not a true answer to Duncan, and recently this year with Nazr's domination game.

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    If it works out that way the Spurs will kill the Suns in the finals. The brackets soooooo suck this year.

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    I actually think the kings are better. The mavs are soft and can't score at the same time.

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    what the are you talking about? webber played one ing game in that series and then he hurt his knee. and in that game we blew you es out on your home court. and without our best player we still took you to 7 games. wow you cant even remember the NBA 3 years ago?
    u didnt answer my question...the mavs still had a better record with 60 wins than the kings who had 58 or 59 wins

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    There was no opinion tied to that statement. I'm just tired of DumMcDuumb not bothering to look it up. The Kings are going to have a hard time being better without Bonzi Wells.
    bonzi is staying buddy. he said the only way he doesnt resign is if the maloofs dont want him. which they do. he said hes tired of moving. without bonzi? yeah right.

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    u didnt answer my question...the mavs still had a better record with 60 wins than the kings who had 58 or 59 wins
    just like a mavs fan to talk about regular season. the suns won more games then the spurs last year but the spurs won it all. regular season means nothing. if webber was healthy we would have kicked your asses. we took you to 7 freaking games without our best player. your out of your mind.

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    I really like what John Hollinger said on his ESPN chat about Bonzi:

    Here's a test for NBA Executives that I'll call "Sample Size 101." What do you use as a basis for your evaluation of Bonzi Wells? A) The six games against San Antonio in the playoffs, or B) The six hundred games he'd played up until that point. If you answered A), you're either Isiah Thomas or on the way to becoming him.

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    The Kings were not an opponent you wanted to go deep with in the first round. Look at how much punishment Artest absorbed and dealt. I have my issues with Ron, but you can't question his effort when he's playing. (It's all the mistakes/bad decisions that lead to NOT playing that are the issue!)

    The Kings are on that brink. What they do (or don't do) this off-season is going to make or break this team. The Kings remind me of the Pacers; always in the playoffs, not making the most of their correspondingly late picks, problems with attracting free agents.

    Part of the reason that I follow the Spurs is that they have done so well, despite a small market and always picking late. Pro sports are definitely big business, and I am becoming disenchanted with teams that are ripping off their fans. That is, teams that won't commit to winning, get fat on luxury taxes that aren't reinvested in the product on the field, etc., etc. Let's put it this way, I am this close to boycotting the Cubs (after 34 years) because I refuse to line the Tribune's pockets anymore. I will explain further if anyone cares...

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