Coincidence?

[Darrin]

Look at it this way, since you're so high on Kidd, would you rather have Kidd or Parker running your team? I'd take Parker any day of the week over Kidd.

I'd take Parker right now. He's seven years younger and Jason Kidd had all his athleticism taken away in the 2004 offseason when he had that knee surgery.

I tend to agree with what JamStone said about neither Jason Kidd or Steve Nash deserved to be MVP at any time. Nash was credited with a team accomplishment as the deciding factor. If he doesn't win in 2005, there's no way he gets it this season. His numbers got better and the Suns remained an elite team, and that's the majority of the argument for Nash.

Jason Kidd is better than Steve Nash. Steve Nash, according to the MVP award, is better than Jason Kidd. It's just one more way this doesn't add up.

[AZLouis]

Considering the MVP award is based on regular season performance...what does it matter where Nash or Kidd led their teams?

Those awards were voted on for regular season performance.

That's why there is such a thing as Finals MVP. And both have 0.

PERIOD.

[ShoogarBear]

If you traded Steve Nash for Chauncey Billups how many fewer games would the Pistons win in the regular season? 10?

How can the "MVP" make the best team in the league worse?

Has there ever been an MVP in history you could say that about?

[Darrin]

Considering the MVP award is based on regular season performance...what does it matter where Nash or Kidd led their teams?

Those awards were voted on for regular season performance.

That's why there is such a thing as Finals MVP. And both have 0.

PERIOD.

That's bull. The Playoffs raise players' profiles. You think the NBA voters limit their thoughts about a particular guy to the single season? The Most Improved Player Award DEMANDS that you compare one season to another. If you think this is just a regular season performance award, you're out of your mind.

[1Parker1]

If you traded Steve Nash for Chauncey Billups how many fewer games would the Pistons win in the regular season? 10?

How can the "MVP" make the best team in the league worse?

Has there ever been an MVP in history you could say that about?

The more important question is, "Has there ever been an back to back MVP in history who has never even made it to the Finals?"

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Jason Kidd has still accomplished more in his career than Steve Nash. Two Regular season mvp trophies or back to back conference les?

Kidd was the main reason that the Nets did something insanely difficult to do - back to back finals appearances.

AND kidd plays defense.

[AZLouis]

That's bull. The Playoffs raise players' profiles. You think the NBA voters limit their thoughts about a particular guy to the single season? The Most Improved Player Award DEMANDS that you compare one season to another. If you think this is just a regular season performance award, you're out of your mind.

Prior to the LAL series starting, it was already rumored Nash was going to be named MVP.

Now again please tell me it's not a regular season award.

April 20, 2006, was the due date for MVP balloting. Two days prior to the playoffs starting.

Either way, it's still Finals MVP that matters, not a regular season MVP awarding.

And of course Most IMPROVED Player demands a comparison to last season. It's all inclusive with the basis for the award.

[polandprzem]

If you traded Steve Nash for Chauncey Billups how many fewer games would the Pistons win in the regular season? 10?

How can the "MVP" make the best team in the league worse?

Has there ever been an MVP in history you could say that about?

So Shoog are you usre that Detroit would lost more games with Nash?

And if so. Why not give a credit to a guy who has the impact to the game. I'm not talking about the indywidual but in a team aspect. When Nash is on the floor the phx game looks different.

But still I would take Kidd over nash, so give him that b2b trophy and forget abut him

[Darrin]

Prior to the LAL series starting, it was already rumored Nash was going to be named MVP.

Now again please tell me it's not a regular season award.

April 20, 2006, was the due date for MVP balloting. Two days prior to the playoffs starting.

Either way, it's still Finals MVP that matters, not a regular season MVP awarding.

And of course Most IMPROVED Player demands a comparison to last season. It's all inclusive with the basis for the award.

April 20, 2006 allows for 9 postseasons to be taken into account for the voting.

[mffl89]

If you traded Steve Nash for Chauncey Billups how many fewer games would the Pistons win in the regular season? 10?

How can the "MVP" make the best team in the league worse?

Has there ever been an MVP in history you could say that about?

isn't the MVP given to how much a person has impacted their team? Ex: if kobe bryant was to be sent to detroit and rip hamilton is out, would the pistons have won as many games as they did or would kobe have messed up the team chemistry?

[polandprzem]

isn't the MVP given to how much a person has impacted their team? Ex: if kobe bryant was to be sent to detroit and rip hamilton is out, would the pistons have won as many games as they did or would kobe have messed up the team chemistry?

Also if you put Billups on the Phoenix team would it be so good and how much Matrix would have to change his game?
Billups game is more like a playoff game and Shawn is not feeling much comfortable in that kind of game. (Well he can prove me wrong in the clipps-pho series)

[ShoogarBear]

isn't the MVP given to how much a person has impacted their team? Ex: if kobe bryant was to be sent to detroit and rip hamilton is out, would the pistons have won as many games as they did or would kobe have messed up the team chemistry?

Maybe the chemistry would have been bad or maybe it wouldn't have been. If the chemistry worked out, then Detroit would be better.

If you put Steve Nash in place of Billups, Detroit is worse no matter how good their chemistry is.

[ShoogarBear]

Also if you put Billups on the Phoenix team would it be so good and how much Matrix would have to change his game?
Billups game is more like a playoff game and Shawn is not feeling much comfortable in that kind of game. (Well he can prove me wrong in the clipps-pho series)

That's not the argument. For one thing, I'm not saying Billups is the MVP. For another thing, Phoenix is not the best team in the league. They're a gimmick specialty team built around a one-trick pony.

And, I'm not so sure that Phoenix wouldn't be better with Billups and playing more two-way basketball.

[polandprzem]

That's not the argument. For one thing, I'm not saying Billups is the MVP. For another thing, Phoenix is not the best team in the league. They're a gimmick specialty team built around a one-trick pony.

And, I'm not so sure that Phoenix wouldn't be better with Billups and playing more two-way basketball.

So what makes you so sure abou Detroit being worst with Nashty?


BTW. 'Somday' ( ) in the future (if Nash not gonna win squad) ppl with look at it like: "b2b MVP great regular seasons, not much of a success in the playoffs....he is not one of the best"
Although he is a realy good player and doing a fantastic job in Phooenix. The problem will be where you rank him? Over Payton and Kidd? Over John Stockton? Cousey? Frazier? (Only the Celtic guy have an MVP)

[Darrin]

So what makes you so sure abou Detroit being worst with Nashty?


BTW. 'Somday' ( ) in the future (if Nash not gonna win squad) ppl with look at it like: "b2b MVP great regular seasons, not much of a success in the playoffs....he is not one of the best"
Although he is a realy good player and doing a fantastic job in Phooenix. The problem will be where you rank him? Over Payton and Kidd? Over John Stockton? Cousey? Frazier? (Only the Celtic guy have an MVP)

If he wins one championship, he'll be considered a top-five point guard too often. It means he can't experience any team success or Nash will be completely overrated.