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    They had no choice but to not even attempt to defend the middle, our centers were saddled with fouls the entire game, but if I'm not mistaken it was Dallas who scored more in the paint, even though we supposedly have less interior D.
    i don't see the dallas c's being out of foul trouble if duncan continues his aggressive play in the middle. sa should really take more advantage of that, they seem confused and unsure of how to take advantage of a revitalized duncan (as ridiculous as that sounds).

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    Dallas's interior defense has been great. Diop isn't a good one on one defender but his help defense has been huge so far this series. Dampier the same but Duncan is just playing very energized. I don't see that continuing in Dallas though. The main thing though is Dallas is dominating the boards. This will continue to be a factor the whole series. Dallas dominated the boards against the Grizzlies as well.

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    duncan has played that well for years, excluding this season. he is getting diop and dampier up in the air, then making his move. he can score against them easily. dallas' interior d against everyone else has been great - that is undeniable. but i expect the spurs to make a much better effort on the boards and on defense, and get a couple of lucky bounces their way next game too.

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    duncan has played that well for years, excluding this season. he is getting diop and dampier up in the air, then making his move. he can score against them easily. dallas' interior d against everyone else has been great - that is undeniable. but i expect the spurs to make a much better effort on the boards and on defense, and get a couple of lucky bounces their way next game too.
    If you expect to continue shooting that well throughout the series you will be disappointed. Duncan doesn't usually shoot that well though he has good moves around the basket. I think the defense will improve on Duncan as they learn all his favorite moves around the basket and not to fall for the pump fake. Even so I could deal with Duncan having a big game if no one else is getting involved and Dallas stops everyone else. Parker got roofed around the rim many times already this series. I hardly ever saw that against Sacramento and most teams.

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    They had no choice but to not even attempt to defend the middle, our centers were saddled with fouls the entire game, but if I'm not mistaken it was Dallas who scored more in the paint, even though we supposedly have less interior D.

    They will always be saddled with fouls, they can't guard him, nice to see Avery have to result to double teaming him at the end.

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    They will always be saddled with fouls, they can't guard him, nice to see Avery have to result to double teaming him at the end.
    Your avatar ownz.

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    Duncan can have his thirty if the rest of the Spurs are invisible. Parker and Gino have been very quiet and with the exception of Bowen's game one shot, the threes have been kept to a minimum. The bench has also been a nonfactor. I'm very encouraged by our chances if the Spurs continue to get minimal guard penetration to the hoop.

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    If you expect to continue shooting that well throughout the series you will be disappointed. Duncan doesn't usually shoot that well though he has good moves around the basket. I think the defense will improve on Duncan as they learn all his favorite moves around the basket and not to fall for the pump fake. Even so I could deal with Duncan having a big game if no one else is getting involved and Dallas stops everyone else. Parker got roofed around the rim many times already this series. I hardly ever saw that against Sacramento and most teams.
    well parker wasn't as slow as he has been the first 2 games in this series. he is still damn quick but the contusion is limiting him a bit. he is still very dangerous, but slowed just enough. and i think duncan can continue making 3 foot shots, his bank seems to be open these days too. duncan doesn't just have 3-4 moves...

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    After last nights 20 point ass waxing the Spur took from the Dallas Mavericks? it is now official Dallas is not _allas anymore , So after your done cyring about game 2 and blaming the refs? show some class and admit Dallas has "D" now.

    One game doesn't make a defensive juggernaut.

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    You DIDN'T get hosed by the refs. Your team didn't show up to play. Gave up too many fast break points, too many rebounds, didn't rotate effectively, couldn't protect the paint, lost their cool very early in the game and were effectively outplayed and outcoached. The foul differential was very slight. Even if a few calls had gone back to San Antonio, you still had to make up a 20 point difference. The refs don't score points. But whatever makes you sleep at night...
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    You're right the refs don't score points, but they do put you on the FT line and they do take away your offense with cheap, and I do mean ticky-tack little Offensive fouls. If Tim had bad breath, they would call an offensive foul on him.
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    The foul differential was very slight.
    In numbers....Yes....

    In the way it affected the game.....NO...

    When Duncan was forced to sit, after a questionable third foul, was when Dallas jumped to the big lead...

    You notice, that once Duncan came back, the lead never increased, even though towards the end, Pop emptied the bench, while AJ kept the starters in.

    So, while techinically, you are correct, the approx same number of fouls called was the same...

    Who they were called on was not.......

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    I think the defense will improve on Duncan as they learn all his favorite moves around the basket and not to fall for the pump fake.
    Diop cannont guard Duncan without fouling him.. That's it.. Everytime Tim decides to go to the basket, Diop will foul him.

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    In numbers....Yes....

    In the way it affected the game.....NO...

    When Duncan was forced to sit, after a questionable third foul, was when Dallas jumped to the big lead...

    You notice, that once Duncan came back, the lead never increased, even though towards the end, Pop emptied the bench, while AJ kept the starters in.

    So, while techinically, you are correct, the approx same number of fouls called was the same...

    Who they were called on was not.......
    So are you saying they shouldn't call fouls on Duncan? That was a good call where Howard was stationary waiting for Duncan to charge. The refs calling that a blocking would be very unfair.

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    The Mavs D is greatly improved and good overall, with flashes of greatness. However, in a 1-pt game on Sunday they left Bowen open from the corners with time winding down. Great defenses would never do that, knowing that is Bruce's shot.

    Good overall D does not equal championships. It's crunch time D that does that, and the Spurs have that in spades. Look what they did to the Mavs those last three minutes of that game. I imagine the remaining games may be more like Sunday's game than Tuesday's. The Mavs simply do not have that killer, close-game D. Not this year at least. Not yet.

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    Your avatar ownz.
    yes, yes it does

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    One game doesn't make a defensive juggernaut.
    One game? They were 7th in total defense this season. And I don't think anybody is calling the Mavs a "defensive juggernaut"...

    In numbers....Yes....

    In the way it affected the game.....NO...

    When Duncan was forced to sit, after a questionable third foul, was when Dallas jumped to the big lead...

    You notice, that once Duncan came back, the lead never increased, even though towards the end, Pop emptied the bench, while AJ kept the starters in.

    So, while techinically, you are correct, the approx same number of fouls called was the same...

    Who they were called on was not.......
    I'm sorry, but that was a charge...

    And Avery benched his guys 1:12 after Pop took out Duncan, Parker, and Manu, so let's not act like Avery did anything disrespectful...

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    No offense, but I like Melmart1's better.

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    "Great defenses would never do that"

    NEVER? Never doesn't last long. Robert got his Game5 winner off against a great Pistons defense @Auburn Hill because Rasheed left Robert unguarded. A single defensive mistake, by Rasheed the Championship Belts asshole, cost the Pistons Game5, and the 05 Championship.

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    One game? They were 7th in total defense this season. And I don't think anybody is calling the Mavs a "defensive juggernaut"...
    There are plenty of Mavs trolls that are implying they are a great defensive team.
    They are improved but let us evaluate their performance in the series/playoffs after everything is over before you put them in the defensive elite of the Spurs and Pistons.

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    One game doesn't make a defensive juggernaut.

    I think it's more than one game if they are in the second round of the NBA playoffs.

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    There are plenty of Mavs trolls that are implying they are a great defensive team.
    They are improved but let us evaluate their performance in the series/playoffs after everything is over before you put them in the defensive elite of the Spurs and Pistons.
    Mav troll here

    Mavs aren't anywhere near a great defensive team but they are on their way to being very good one. It's just a matter of players first buying into playing D and then practicing it enough to become great. All NBA players have it in them. Mavs are somewhere in between while San Antonio and Detriot have reached the great level. Both those teams are great when it really counts (crunch time). Game 1 was a perfect example of this. Mavs did good defensive job the last 4 minutes as Spurs shot 1 for 7 but that 1 shot (Bowen's 3) was a killer. Spurs did a great job the last 4 minutes as Dallas shot 0 for 7.

    With that said, I think the Mavs can definitely beat the Spurs in this series cuz they are better in other areas. We will see...should be a great series.

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    I think it's more than one game if they are in the second round of the NBA playoffs.
    But there are those here that are basing this on game 2.
    They are better on the "d"....but let's reserve judgement until after the playoffs to evaluate their defensive improvement.
    Remember round one was against the Grizzlies......winless in the playoffs in franchise history...they are really just fodder.

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    There are plenty of Mavs trolls that are implying they are a great defensive team.
    They are improved but let us evaluate their performance in the series/playoffs after everything is over before you put them in the defensive elite of the Spurs and Pistons.
    I haven't see any Mav's fans on this particular thread say anything about "Great" defense or "Juggernaut" defense, but I think we can all agree that Dallas is Dallas and not _allas anymore. Meaning Dallas actually plays at the very least, "good" defense. They rotate efficiently and effectively now. They block shots. Their perimeter defense is really good. And almost every shot is contested. They do a better job of getting in passing lanes and batting balls out of the hands of players. The interior defense has been solid, even good against every team this year except for the Spurs. Timmy is just great...can't do anything about that. That bein said, I think it is fair to put the "D" back in Dallas.

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    Mavs aren't anywhere near a great defensive team but they are on their way to being very good one.
    I did say they are getting better.....please read the whole post.

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    I did say they are getting better.....please read the whole post.
    I wasn't disputing you, just quoting your post cuz I like the troll comment

    After that I was just giving my opinion.

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