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    How did anyone miss this gem?

    Gilbert Arenas, Washington, 4 (1)
    All I can say is there is one extremely stupid coach in the NBA.

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    How did anyone miss this gem?



    All I can say is there is one extremely stupid coach in the NBA.
    Eddie Jordan....more than likely.


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    This just goes to show that the coaches are well aware of the defensive threat Bruce poses, night in and night out - while the sportscasters are morons who only look at stat sheets and probably see less than a dozen Spurs games all year!

    Way to go Bruce!!!

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    lol wtf who the is voting this Gilbert arenas got votes? Diaw? lmao

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    Bruce got more points then Ben Wallace.

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    Eddie Jordan....more than likely.


    I don't think coaches are allowed to vote for their own player.

    By the way, where the heck is Andre Iguodala or Gerald Wallace or Raja Bell? Chauncey should not be on the second team ahead of those guys ... unless it's only because he's a point guard.

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    Ron "I didn't play half the season because I was pouting in Indiana" Artest? GMAFB. If he plays a full season, yes.

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    Bruce still owns ben Wallace, imho.
    Tell that to Ben's 4 DPOY awards.

    And the reason he got more votes is because there are many less defensive minded perimeter players than there are defensive minded big men.

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    This just goes to show that the coaches are well aware of the defensive threat Bruce poses, night in and night out - while the sportscasters are morons who only look at stat sheets and probably see less than a dozen Spurs games all year!

    Way to go Bruce!!!

    Hey, these great coaches that you speak of also voted for Arenas ............ that shows you just how valid the voting is . . . .

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    I think it's ridiculous to say that the vote somehow means Bruce is the better defensive player. They are each great defenders and each does things that the other cannot do. It shows that the coaches agree with the media this year in naming those two the top defenders in the league, in some order. Ben was #1 in one poll, Bruce was #1 in the other. That's all.

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    oh if those awards could talk. ben and bruce are both great defenders. some of the greatest scorers in the game acknowledge bruce's skills, and that is the utmost compliment a defender can receive.

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    Since the VOTING WAS DONE BY POSITION all this says is that Bruce was #1 at F, Wallace the #1 C. You can't compare positions by # of votes received.

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    All I can say is there is one extremely stupid coach in the NBA.
    One could draw the same conclusion from the fact that Ben Wallace was left off of the ballot submitted by one coach. He got 26 first team votes and 2 second team votes (A player can get votes on only 29 ballots because his own coach cannot vote for him; Bowen was the only player named on every ballot -- 26 firsts and 3 seconds).

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    One could draw the same conclusion from the fact that Ben Wallace was left off of the ballot submitted by one coach. He got 26 first team votes and 2 second team votes (A player can get votes on only 29 ballots because his own coach cannot vote for him; Bowen was the only player named on every ballot -- 26 firsts and 3 seconds).

    Larry Brown's revenge.

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    LMAO, somebody voted for Gilbert Arenas in place of Ben Wallace.

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    Just proves how stupid the media is.


    Congrats to both Bruce and Timmy.


    Bruce should in all honestly be holding the Defensive Player of the Year trophy but *shrugs* what are you gonna do with the idiotic media.

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    Tell that to Ben's 4 DPOY awards.

    And the reason he got more votes is because there are many less defensive minded perimeter players than there are defensive minded big men.
    There's only two decent defensive centers in the league today, Wallace and Camby. If Ben lived in the era of Robinson, Hakeem, Dikembe and Mourning he wouldn't get a whiff of first, second or third team all-NBA.

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    That's like saying if Tim Duncan was drafted in 1983, he would not never even get within sniffing distance of an NBA championship.

    It's all conjecture.

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    That's like saying if Tim Duncan was drafted in 1983, he would not never even get within sniffing distance of an NBA championship.

    It's all conjecture.
    Who's Wallace going to beat out? Hakeem? DRob? Mourning? Dikembe?

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    Who's Wallace going to beat out? Hakeem? DRob? Mourning? Dikembe?
    In that era, he might have played PF, and been one of the most suffocating defenders ever at the position.

    Comparing eras is a .

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    picnroll,

    I didn't say you were necessarily wrong. I'm just saying it's conjecture. And, if Ben Wallace put up the same rebounding, blocked shots, and steals numbers as he has over the last few seasons and his team was an elite team, contending for championships, there would be arguments that he would be better or as good as Alonzo Mourning. And, Dikembe didn't do much more than what Ben does, so he'd probably be considered better than Deke ... IF his team was going to the NBA Finals a lot like his current team is. I mean Yao Ming and Brad Miller and Zydrunas Ilgauskas put up better overall numbers than Ben but a lot of people think Ben is the better center.

    Like I said, it's conjecture. And, it's hard to theorize. Take my example too. If Tim Duncan was drafted in 1983, and had to face the Larry Bird Celtics, the showtime Lakers, the Bad Boy Pistons and then the Bulls dynasty, likely Tim Duncan doesn't get any championships. And, then he's not considered the best power forward in the history of the league. Might still be one of the greats like Barkley or Malone, but not THE BEST.

    We can play "what if" all you want.

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    I haven't really followed that many Nets games this season....was Kidd's defense really that good? I watched the two games against SA and the 4 games against Philly, and AI and Parker torched Kidd in those games.

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    If Duncan was drafted in 1983 he'd still be the best PF in the league and all NBA 1st team.

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    Jason Terry got a vote - LOL LOL LOL

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    Surprised Chris Paul didn't get any love.

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