grant hill was a waste, but i dont think he deserves to be mention, has he even ever gotten to the ecf? or out of teh 2nd round?
I'm not certain he ever got to the second round.
If memory serves correct, it was his constant failing. A sort of McGrady/Garnett/Hill syndrome.
Hill was great, but this isn't your favorite player without a ring. He wasn't near as good as Baylor, Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Miller or Gervin.
I'm correct.
First round losses to Orlando, Atlanta, Atlanta and then Miami in his four trips to the playoffs.
Well I would say Webber, Nowitzki, Mutombo, Mourning, David Thompson, Artis Gilmore. But these guys olso deserves to be there.
Now pick the best of them. I would say Gilmore.
But seeing the Millers accomplishements as a player you made your point. Still I don't think he is better then Kidd in allaround game and the influance to the game. Yup he was scoring , he was making clutch shots but mostly it was his partners who was helping him
John Stockton, Karl Malone, and Elgin Baylor.
Who's comparing him to Kidd?? His response was to the fact that someone said there are at least 25 players who deserve a ring more than Reggie. Which is just crazy if anyone ever watched the Pacers in the 90's.
Do you see how the Pacers have done since his retirement?? For all his downfalls, even with his crazy last season, a 30 year Reggie still managed to lead his team to the ECSF. Since then, Pacers fell below .500 and fell out of the first round.
I think I was answering to him about who will be those 'others' which coming with Reggie and des not deserve to be top 15 (was it 15?)
That is it
btw. 1Parker1 you seems be unpleasnt to me lately. Am I right?
, No, why would I be mad at you? I wasn't trying to sound unpleasant, I was just pointing out that no one was really comparing Kidd vs. Reggie Miller directly, which would be hard to do.
Okay.
I compared them. He is on the list. taht's it.
Reggie is the only player that I know of who allowed a team to play "outside-in," rather than "inside-out." Teams would double Reggie outside which often meant someone left Smits or Davis alone in the paint. That's pretty darn impressive.
By the way, I only talk about retired players in this context. Time may be running out for Kidd, Garnett, etc. However, it hasn't run out yet.
As 1Parker1 pointed out, the Pacers are a .500 team without even a 40 year-old Miller.
I left Stockton off my short list; he should be there too.
well it's going both ways
BTW have you counted how many screens did Reggie get?
All jump-shooters use screens. Reggie didn't use them as often as most. Most of his famous playoff performances involve him shooting from the open while at least one defender was mugging him.
OTOH, Reggie didn't need screens much, because he used a lot of "gamesmanship," shall we say. Later in his career, Miller would do things like step on a defender's feet in the act of shooting. Needless to say, you don't need a screen when you create one with the defender! (Kind of hard to block shots when someone is tying up your lower body, also.)
Obviously, you think Miller is overrated. Obviously, I think he is underrated. I can understand; it's not like he is your screen name or anything....
hehe well I'm not taking anything from Reggie. And I give as much credit as there is to the players who deserves.Obviously, you think Miller is overrated. Obviously, I think he is underrated. I can understand; it's not like he is your screen name or anything....
To me Reggie is not overated or underrated cause opinions are realy extreme (different).
Reggie is reggie. Top20-25 Guard in a history of an NBA
We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'd rank him near or at the bottom of the top 10 all-time guards. His career is somewhat diminished for never winning a championship, considering his role on the Pacers' best teams. I have to grant his critics that.
Again, I only think in terms of retired players. I never compare active and retired players on these types of "lists," because it isn't valid. Russell won't be winning anymore championships, and Kobe may not win again either. In my short life, I've seen a lot of "sure things" fizzle in all of the major sports for one reason or another. You're only as good as your last game; projecting someone's career like folks do with LeBron is very dangerous.
Side Note: Is is just me, or is being crowned "the Next Jordan" about as dangerous as being a child actor? You know, in the "lucky to get out alive" category?
It's not just you. We've had 8 "next Michael Jordans" already. Sometimes it's better to lay low...or stay under the radar. I see Wade getting his ring before Lebron and possibly stealing the crown from him in the coming years. Or it could just be a rivalry, since Lebron might just be the exception to the rule.
Better players than Reggie Miller not to have won a ring, not necessarily in any particular order, however, loosely ranked, in my opinion.
1. Charles Barkley
2. Karl Malone
3. Pete Maravich
4. Elgin Baylor
5. George Gervin
6. Alex English
7. Bernard King
8. Patrick Ewing
9. Sidney Moncrief
10. Kevin Garnett
11. John Stockton
12. Allen Iverson
13. Dominique Wilkins
14. Nate Thurmond
15. David Thompson
16. Dave Bing
17. Jason Kidd
18. Kevin Johnson
19. Adrian Dantley
20. Bob Lanier
21. Walt Bellamy
22. Chris Mullin
23. Gary Payton
24. Artis Gilmore
25. Connie Hawkins
26. Steve Nash
27. Calvin Murphy
28. Ray Allen
29. Chris Webber
30. Alonzo Mourning
I only added current players who are at least 10 years into the league and likely not going to win an NBA le the rest of their career, including Nash and Payton and Mourning, who technically still have a chance this season, but I doubt it.
I can't stand it either. No one is going to be exactly like Jordan, just like I'm sure no one's going to be the next "Lebron" comming out of the draft, or the next "Kobe" scoring 81 points, etc.
What bothers me about the "Next Jordan" moniker is that if he is truly the next Jordan, what does that say about the talent of the "greatest player ever," that he can be replaced within 6-8 years after retiring?
Talent is talent.
What's the difference if the next "one in a million" basketball player comes only 6-8 years after the previous one. Did it matter that Jerry West and Oscar Robertson were about the same age and played at the same time? Does it take away any of each's greatness that Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan all played in the same era but all won multiple championships?
The "Next Jordan" is part unbelievable talent and part unmistakeable commercial hype. That's why it's easier to find a "Next Jordan" more easily that to find the "Next Wilt" or the "Next Big O." It's because how accessible the media allows people to witness (no pun intended) these basketball players on such a wide scale and in such a widespread marketing campaigns.
OJ Mayo and Greg Oden could be the next Magic Johnson and Tim Duncan, and if they are even remotely close to living up to that potential, you'll be damn sure that the media will exploit every last penny to make it come as close to reality as the hype can be.
bill russel.
shaq would be on the list at number 1 if it weren't for KB8
my dawg shaq knows that, i ain't starting another fight. we talked about this article last week.
How many games will Miami best Detroit in?
Reggie Miller, John Stockton, Iceman
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