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    By my count, the officials who could still work games in this series are:

    Ron Garretson
    Bernie Fryer
    Ken Mauer
    Tom Washington
    Bennett Salvatore
    Scott Foster
    Mike Callahan
    Jack Nies
    Bob Delaney
    Monty McCutchen
    Sean Corbin
    Tony Brothers
    Joe Forte
    Jess Kersey
    My guess is

    Nies
    Salvatore
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    tony cuban (mark's cousin)

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    My guess is

    Nies
    Salvatore
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    tony cuban (mark's cousin)


    I'd sooner have:


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    I always respected the spurs and their fans (Classy Organization with great fans), but I've lost some during this series. Why is your team and fans whinning so much about the refs. This is getting out of hand. The last thing you should be worried about is the refs. Quit the madness.

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    I always respected the spurs and their fans (Classy Organization with great fans), but I've lost some during this series. Why is your team and fans whinning so much about the refs. This is getting out of hand. The last thing you should be worried about is the refs. Quit the madness.

    spoken like someone that has had the benefit from all the ed up calls.


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    I always respected the spurs and their fans (Classy Organization with great fans), but I've lost some during this series. Why is your team and fans whinning so much about the refs. This is getting out of hand. The last thing you should be worried about is the refs. Quit the madness.
    if you were getting screwed the way we are, you'd be pissed too!

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    I always respected the spurs and their fans (Classy Organization with great fans), but I've lost some during this series. Why is your team and fans whinning so much about the refs. This is getting out of hand. The last thing you should be worried about is the refs. Quit the madness.

    It's not just Spurs fans. Try reading a newspaper or sports magazine every once in a while. It's seems obvious to everyone except Mavs fans.

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    They just reported on the radio that it's Javie!!! :-o

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    I always respected the spurs and their fans (Classy Organization with great fans), but I've lost some during this series. Why is your team and fans whinning so much about the refs. This is getting out of hand. The last thing you should be worried about is the refs. Quit the madness.
    Lets put the shoe on the other foot and see how you feel!!!!!!! Life looks good when you're up 3-1 no matter how you got there!

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    They just reported on the radio that it's Javie!!! :-o
    I will take Javie...no . He is fair and willnot get intimidated by Mark Cuban

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    The fact that the Mavs hate Dan Crawford speaks volumes for their team, as he's the best official in the league...

    I get the feeling Cuban doesn't really want only the 9 best officials calling playoff games (not that that made any sense to begin with).

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    The calls have been one sided at times, but the last game both teams had equal fouls. I can recall many fouls on dallas that were questionable.

    Good luck in tonights game. I hope the calls go both ways and they let the teams play.

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    The calls have been one sided at times, but the last game both teams had equal fouls. I can recall many fouls on dallas that were questionable.

    Good luck in tonights game. I hope the calls go both ways and they let the teams play.

    Too late for calls to go both ways....the Spurs need all the calls in next 2 games to get it close to even, then let them play straight up in game 7. That is the only fair way to do this.

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    The calls have been one sided at times, but the last game both teams had equal fouls. I can recall many fouls on dallas that were questionable.

    Good luck in tonights game. I hope the calls go both ways and they let the teams play.
    I posted this elsewhere, but I think the numbers are interesting:

    4th Quarter Free Throw Makes-Attempts

    Game 3: Mavs 18-22; Spurs 6-8
    Game 4: Mavs 13-14; Spurs 3-4

    The Spurs haven't shot as many 4th Quarter FT's in 2 games as the Mavs shot in either. For that matter, the Spurs haven't taken as many 4th Quarter FT's in 2 games as the Mavs have made in either game.

    It's not as if the Spurs are shooting poorly from the line in 4th quarters -- it's that they have no margin for error because the Mavericks are parading to the line.

    4th Quarter Field Goal Shooting

    Game 3: Mavs 6-12 (.500), Spurs 13-17 (.765)
    Game 4: Mavs 6-20 (.400), Spurs 12-23 (.522)

    It's got to be a rare thing that a team can shoot ridiculous 4th Quarter percentages like those in close playoff games and lose both times. I'd wonder if Elias even has a statistic on that.

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    I posted this elsewhere, but I think the numbers are interesting:

    4th Quarter Free Throw Makes-Attempts

    Game 3: Mavs 18-22; Spurs 6-8
    Game 4: Mavs 13-14; Spurs 3-4

    The Spurs haven't shot as many 4th Quarter FT's in 2 games as the Mavs shot in either. For that matter, the Spurs haven't taken as many 4th Quarter FT's in 2 games as the Mavs have made in either game.

    It's not as if the Spurs are shooting poorly from the line in 4th quarters -- it's that they have no margin for error because the Mavericks are parading to the line.

    4th Quarter Field Goal Shooting

    Game 3: Mavs 6-12 (.500), Spurs 13-17 (.765)
    Game 4: Mavs 6-20 (.400), Spurs 12-23 (.522)

    It's got to be a rare thing that a team can shoot ridiculous 4th Quarter percentages like those in close playoff games and lose both times. I'd wonder if Elias even has a statistic on that.

    Nice.

    If that does not shut the Dallas fans' pie holes, they really are ignorant.

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    In effect, that leaves just a handful of officials who might call Game 5. Some names for those who are interested:

    Ron Garretson
    Bernie Fryer
    Ken Mauer
    Tom Washington
    Bennett Salvatore
    Scott Foster
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Too late for calls to go both ways....the Spurs need all the calls in next 2 games to get it close to even, then let them play straight up in game 7. That is the only fair way to do this.
    Game 1 and Game 3 cancel each other out.
    Game 2 it didn't matter the game was over early
    Game 4 we saw the same number of fouls, but I'll give it to the spurs.

    The spurs will see their share of calls tonight, so they better take advantage. I see the mavs coming out shooting 3's and cutter in the paint early to get an early lead. I see them being more aggressive than the spurs. This game could be over early. Tony Parker is the key.

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    I always respected the spurs and their fans (Classy Organization with great fans), but I've lost some during this series. Why is your team and fans whinning so much about the refs. This is getting out of hand. The last thing you should be worried about is the refs. Quit the madness.
    I feel the same way. Its not all of them whining though, just a couple that do it soooooooo much it seems like its the whole fanbase *cough* jimsc50 *cough* sa210* cough*

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    I will take Javie...no . He is fair and willnot get intimidated by Mark Cuban
    If anything, the officials should want to make sure they don't have to see Cuban in another round.

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    Lets put the shoe on the other foot and see how you feel!!!!!!! Life looks good when you're up 3-1 no matter how you got there!
    The Spurs have been on the good side of officiating long enough...........its time the shoes were changed.

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    Game 1 and Game 3 cancel each other out.
    That's a rather curious assertion, given that the teams shot, essentially, an equal number of FT attempts in Game 1. (SA 30, Dallas 28).

    Again, if the argument is about officiating, I don't think you can just look at the sheer number of fouls and say that an even number of fouls is an evenly-called game. In terms of FT attempts, Game 1 was certainly called pretty evenly, even in the 4th Quarter:

    4th Quarter FT-FTA

    Game 1: Mavs 3-6, Spurs 1-3

    4th Quarter FG-FGA

    Game 1: Mavs 5-12 (.416), Spurs 7-17 (.411)

    Those numbers were very, very different in the 4th Quarters of Games 3 & 4. I think those numbers are really the source of the frustration around here. Teams don't shoot 70% from the floor in close playoff games and lose because they're out-shot 3:1 from the line. That particularly doesn't happen to defending champions.

    Nevertheless, what's done is done. It's in the past and it's time to move on.








    Rip their freakin' heads off tonight, Spurs.

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    Salvatore might be OK--his head would explode trying to figure out whether he hates the Spurs or Mavs more

    He hates the Spurs more....it's not even close. Not even close...there is no greater Spur hating referee than Bennet Salvatore.

    And Salvatore was the main reason the Mavs didn't lose to the Rockets last year in the playoffs.

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    He hates the Spurs more....it's not even close. Not even close...there is no greater Spur hating referee than Bennet Salvatore.

    And Salvatore was the main reason the Mavs didn't lose to the Rockets last year in the playoffs.
    Game 1, 2003 WCF.

    And anyone recall that little travelling call on Tim in Dallas earlier this season when Dirk clearly pushed him from behind? Salvatore made that call.

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    I posted this elsewhere, but I think the numbers are interesting:

    4th Quarter Free Throw Makes-Attempts

    Game 3: Mavs 18-22; Spurs 6-8
    Game 4: Mavs 13-14; Spurs 3-4

    The Spurs haven't shot as many 4th Quarter FT's in 2 games as the Mavs shot in either. For that matter, the Spurs haven't taken as many 4th Quarter FT's in 2 games as the Mavs have made in either game.

    It's not as if the Spurs are shooting poorly from the line in 4th quarters -- it's that they have no margin for error because the Mavericks are parading to the line.

    4th Quarter Field Goal Shooting

    Game 3: Mavs 6-12 (.500), Spurs 13-17 (.765)
    Game 4: Mavs 6-20 (.400), Spurs 12-23 (.522)

    It's got to be a rare thing that a team can shoot ridiculous 4th Quarter percentages like those in close playoff games and lose both times. I'd wonder if Elias even has a statistic on that.
    Game 3 really does look messed up there. Spurs make more field goals than the Mavs get off, but the Mavs shoot almost as many free throws as the Spurs do free throw and field goal attemps combined? Yikes.

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    Blaming the refs for losses is the American way, I guess. Nothing is ever "my fault." Somebody else is to blame.

    If the Spurs had made the plays that were within their control in Games 3 and 4, this and countless other threads would never have been opened.

    Blaming the refs is just a failure to accept the fact that the team didn't make the plays it could have made which would have won the game.

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    Blaming the refs for losses is the American way, I guess. Nothing is ever "my fault." Somebody else is to blame.

    If the Spurs had made the plays that were within their control in Games 3 and 4, this and countless other threads would never have been opened.

    Blaming the refs is just a failure to accept the fact that the team didn't make the plays it could have made which would have won the game.

    Tell it to your owner.

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