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    That article makes me feel better about this loss, and excited for next year...I think the reliance of a TRUE center isn't so much of a necessity, we just need a defensive athletic rebounding center/power foward/small forward ala Ben Wallace, Nocioni type players..

    I would have liked to see Scola suit up but I guess it's not gonna happen due to the costs...if Nocioni and Manu have proven anything, Scola's hustle would provide even more energy just instead at an "inside" presence. Not so sure about the Javtokas guy...

    I'm worried that we may be betting on the wrong horse, and we'll be forced to face the wrath of Scola, 2 years into the league-- while we're stuck with another mediocre center.

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    "We have to figure out what we want to do, as far as bigs are concerned," Popovich said. "Do we want (power forwards) or do we want (centers)? How small do we want to play, or how big do we want to play? Do we want to try to be big, even if somebody else is small?"
    If he commits to small ball the Spurs will never win another le.

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    If he commits to small ball the Spurs will never win another le.
    I don't think you have to "commit" to it as much as you have to abe to "go to it" when necessary.

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    If he commits to small ball the Spurs will never win another le.
    i don't think pop would be willing to permanently compromise his defensive schemes. i think he would like to have another player or two to go that way for a series if he has to though.

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    Versatility, he said, is almost as important as athleticism.
    This is why I think the Spurs will sit down and list all the roles they think a team has to fill to be versatile and try to figure out who fits into which spots and which need to be filled.

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    Question: If Miami wins the le are people more inclined to think we need to keep Rasho??
    Shaq is old, just look at what he has done this year. Chicago with a skinny PF (Chandler) and with a fat undersized PF (Sweetney) has done a good job on him. Nets has done a good job on him with only Jason Collins. For the first game against Detroit, Wallaces˛ weren't in foul trouble and Shaq has been very average. And next year, Shaq will be one year older (35).

    The best reason to keep Rasho is Yao not Shaq and Houston is in the WCF.

    Now, I think that Duncan can play center 90% of the time and Rasho need to be traded. He is too expensive given his playtime. Javtokas + a cheap vet like Cato or Pollard is enough against Yao or Shaq.

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    I continue to assure you that Tim Duncan will not play center 90% of the time.

    I agree about Yao being the more important consideration- but I asked about Shaq because everyone insisted we had to keep Nazr because of Detroit. I wondered if the same principles applied for Miami??

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    spurs are already worried about manu's state of mind. That worries me. Manu it is not your fault. I think posters need to go to his forum and make sure fans do not blame him. If he can not get over it by next season you have to trade him.

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    If he commits to small ball the Spurs will never win another le.
    The Spurs were built to challenge conventional elite teams, e.g., the Stockton/Malone Jazz, the Kobe/Shaq Lakers, the current Pistons and Heat. Now you have the Mavs (and the Suns if Amare comes back) who are going to spread out the floor with shooters and slashers and make any two towers lineup scramble.

    I think you keep Rasho for conventional lineups, but you want an athletic tweener shooter for the "small ball" lineups. Or you need a bigman better than Rasho who can make them pay on the offensive end. Malik, at least the Malik of 3 to 5 years ago, would have been a better fit, though not so much for the shooting part of it. Maybe Scola would work out here.

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    spurs are already worried about manu's state of mind. That worries me. Manu it is not your fault. I think posters need to go to his forum and make sure fans do not blame him. If he can not get over it by next season you have to trade him.
    I was thinking about that.

    What if this turns into the second coming of Nick Anderson?

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    If he commits to small ball the Spurs will never win another le.

    spurs showed signs of d with small by if that is what they are going to do more then their d on that will improve

    atleast pop is willing to adjust if needed
    get a new piece that would help you with small ball and the spurs would have beaten the mavs even though dirk is having his best year ever

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    I was thinking about that.

    What if this turns into the second coming of Nick Anderson?
    thank for speaking up now I am not the only one

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    Does anyone think Spurs should keep Brent Barry??

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    Sign and trade would be good for Nazr because that way he could have a longer contract with higher raises. If he's signed by the Spurs (or signandtraded by the Spurs) then he can sign up to a 6 year deal/10.5% raises. If he's signed outright as a free agent by another team, then he can sign 5 year/8% raises. (Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I understand it)
    This is a long shot, but perhaps the Spurs can work a S&T for Mohammed with Chicago in return for either a young player (Deng or Nocioni) or perhaps even the Bulls #1 draft pick (#2 pick overall) in this year's NBA Draft. Of course, they have Scola's rights as a potential tradeable asset to sweeten the deal.

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    Sign and trade would be good for Nazr because that way he could have a longer contract with higher raises. If he's signed by the Spurs (or signandtraded by the Spurs) then he can sign up to a 6 year deal/10.5% raises. If he's signed outright as a free agent by another team, then he can sign 5 year/8% raises. (Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but that's how I understand it)
    But from what I understand, we can only offer him more years and higher raises if we own his bird rights, and my understanding is that we do not own Nazr's bird rights.

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    Does anyone think Spurs should keep Brent Barry??
    no! Barry is a relatively smart player, but he is a p***y. The Spurs should revisit that failed trade with the Hornets for J.R. Smith. Get that done immediately!

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    As far as Barry:

    If one of our goals is to get more athletic then I think trading Barry for JR Smith would be a good move, we'd get more athletic and younger, while still having the experience with Michael Finley, whom I think was much more able to fit into the Spurs system and into a more limited role.

    And since we are throwing things out there, I'd love to see Rasho and Nazr gone and sign Joel Przybilla but I don't see that happening...

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    thank for speaking up now I am not the only one
    I don't think he'll dwell on it...If you look at the Kings turnover. He forgot all about that in the Mavs series and willed games 5, 6.As always when we really needed him.

    You can't keep a great compe or down. If Manu knows what's good for him, he'll just let it fuel his motivation to not be in that position again and try not to ensure we keep good leads. The problem is also having games down to 1 and 2 point margins. That's the Spurs org.'s job not Manu's he did all he could.

    Anyway, you still have a valid reason for concern. Manu's human after all, it would suck if he actually let's feelings of self-doubt get the best of him.

    I think him playing with some of his Argentinean teammates this summer-- as well as healing up and conditioning-- will do him a lot of good in finding that consistent rhythm again like in 05.

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    I'm sure you realize your le is a little misleading. The article implies that Nazr is the most likely one to be gone.
    It's Ludden's le so I guess you better take it up with him.

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    I suspect there will be some outside of the box thinking going on with the front office this summer. I don't read Pop as saying that he's going to go real small -- I think what he's saying is they couldn't do much from an athletic standpoint with a roster stocked with center types. I still think that one thing that may be coming down the road is a pairing of Duncan with another PF, rather than a center. If you have another athletic PF (a guy whose skill set and size are in similar to maybe Udonis Haslem or Rasheed Wallace), you can stay big against Dallas or Phoenix and still matchup relatively well.

    I can't imagine the plan is to become Team Swingman over the summer.

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    "We have to figure out what we want to do, as far as bigs are concerned," Popovich said. "Do we want (power forwards) or do we want (centers)? How small do we want to play, or how big do we want to play? Do we want to try to be big, even if somebody else is small?"
    This is telling because it predicts tim duncan might become a center. once again pop wants' to adapt our style to others insted of getting ian or joneal and forcing smaller teams to adjust to us.

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    I have no prblem losing both Nazr and Rasho, but who the would replace them?


    Isn't Scola an undersized PF? We would have no centers except damn Oberto

    I hope some like Tyson Chandler or Harrington end up in SA

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    The Spurs have Mohammed's Bird Rights.

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    I don't think he'll dwell on it...If you look at the Kings turnover. He forgot all about that in the Mavs series and willed games 5, 6.As always when we really needed him.

    You can't keep a great compe or down. If Manu knows what's good for him, he'll just let it fuel his motivation to not be in that position again and try not to ensure we keep good leads. The problem is also having games down to 1 and 2 point margins. That's the Spurs org.'s job not Manu's he did all he could.

    Anyway, you still have a valid reason for concern. Manu's human after all, it would suck if he actually let's feelings of self-doubt get the best of him.

    I think him playing with some of his Argentinean teammates this summer-- as well as healing up and conditioning-- will do him a lot of good in finding that consistent rhythm again like in 05.
    I forgot about that
    that should help besides that league is watered down from the nba.
    he should be the best player on the court over there and get his condfidence back

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    I have no prblem losing both Nazr and Rasho, but who the would replace them?

    Isn't Scola an undersized PF? We would have no centers except damn Oberto
    Well, Javtokas is a center as well, if he's brought in. Still, unless we land a starting PF and Duncan consents to move to C, Javtokas and Oberto are not exactly the most confidence-inspiring center rotation we could have.

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