Some of you ing idiot Mavs fans in this thread are acting like that one point wouldn't have made a difference.Do you think that the Spurs may have benefitted from any bad calls in that game as well? Some of you ing people act like the Spurs have never ing benefitted from bad calls!
Fine, howabout Dirk running over Tim in the same game and getting the call, or Dirk throwing his shoulder into Bowen three times and getting a foul on Bruce the fourth time?
Kinda fun to play what if, huh?
No one's whining here that I see, just saying "damn, what if."
If that bothers you, frankly the only response I have to that is off.
You make a good point if the intent is to talk about game changes (which was not the intent here imho). It would certainly have affected the game had that call not been made. I think you mischaracterize a Dirk flop but that is another point. My point above originally was that it was unfortunate that some Spurs fans didn't realize how silly they were sounding. I've encountered much better than that from most fans here.
I think the original intent of the thread was to alert all to the fact that the NBA had admitted its official made a mistake and shouldn't have done what he did. Does that change the flow of that game? Probably -- at least in some way. Can we wonder what would have happened if that call had never been made? I think so; and I think we can without being whiners.
You and I can discuss the awards for which Dirk's performance in that instance made him eligible in another context.
And I'd agree with you that some here have been ridiculous in their reactions to this news.
But simply acknowledging the what ifs of Bavetta handling that situation correctly doesn't strike me as whining unless the listener comes in here to grind that ax and is looking for any reason to do so.
You just don't get. Here's a what if for you, what if you only picked out the bad calls against the Spurs? What if you weren't such a Homer and you realized that there were horrible calls on both ends of the court?
I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Ronny Nunn and his refs reviewed all tapes from the Spurs/Mavs series, because they would admit only among themselves how edly poor the reffing was.
"What if" Tim had been hot from the line, rather than missing all 6 of the Spurs' missed FTs in a game tied in regulation.
But, the Spurs really, really didn't have their hearts pumped up and their together to play their best basketball all season.
Had they slipped past the Mavs, Manu making his Game7 drive and/or Tim making the putback and/or Manu not fouling Dirk, perhaps the Spurs would have focussed up enough to win all the way.
I'll never be made to believe that how they play in the season, esp the late season, has nothing to do with how they play in the playoffs. The fool's gold of 63W ignored, the Spurs just never impressed or overpowered last season. Failed so many tests, got blown out in so many big games.
It won't be any easier next year vs Mavs and Suns, will the Spurs play tougher?
I just want to know why Bavetta seems to be considered as one of the best officials in the league by the NBA. The guy is completely gutless, and his "performance" in game 7 (even though it benefitted the Spurs imo) just solidified that fact.
And I think that's the point that most of us have made around here since at least Tuesday morning. Had Tim made FT's in Game 7, we're unconcerned with this issue. Had the Spurs been attentive to defensive rebounding or making smarter plays at various points in time, the issue is a footnote. The Mavericks did those things better and won.
I don't know that too many are discrediting the Mavericks win by pointing to this call. They're just venting some frustration. And it is frustrating to hear the league fess up to this mistake, coming on the heels of a series that was so extraordinarily tight.
I AM surprised, however, that so many Mavericks fans are hanging out here when the Mavericks are preparing to play Game 3 of the WCF. Were the tables reversed, I'm not sure there would be too many (though there surely would be some) Spurs fans taunting Mavericks fans.
Mavs can't get over that they were handed a trip to the WCF by the officials.
I don't know a lot of fans from any team that like Bavetta. He is awful personified.
You just don't get it. This is a Spurs site. Hence, we're going to talk about situations where we got screwed. If you weren't such a dumb , you'd get it.You just don't get. Here's a what if for you, what if you only picked out the bad calls against the Spurs? What if you weren't such a Homer and you realized that there were horrible calls on both ends of the court?
By the way, I work in Plano at a company of over 200 people, where only myself and 3 other guys are Spurs fans.
There wasn't a person in that building that didn't admit (some begrudgingly) the two calls Dirk got at the end of game 4 were bull . My boss has 3rd row season tickets and his first comments to me were that we got screwed.
I guess he's a Spurs homer too, what with having season tickets for the last 11 seasons and all.
If you can't deal with Spurs fans looking at what happened to the Spurs through silver and black glasses, then ing scroll or go back to mavstalk.
Yeah, that seems to be one of the few things that almost all fans can agree on, yet the NBA itself seems to disagree, I just don't get it. They supposedly do a really thorough job of evaluating the officials, but I can't imagine how you could watch a bunch of 's games and not come away thinking he's a terrible ref. Yet this guy is one of their "go-to-guys" for big game 7's. Mystifying.
Wow. Talk about adding insult.......
Mark Cuban was later seen on reply by Stu Jackson and his understudies having a chat with the refs before and after games. Stern's fine = Celebrity Death Match with Mark Cuban and you guessed..... gang raping gorillas.
Ronnie Nunn was on NBATV before game seven against Dallas and admitted the blocking foul called on TD in game four was a charge.
When I mentioned that the Mavs' 5's were getting called for a foul in game 1 in the first quarter every trip down even though they were just standing there with their arms straight up, I was told to STFU, it was in the first quarter. Big deal, they said. Funny how ONE point in the second quarter of a game turns the series.
As losers, we must complain about the refs.
It is our job now.
Funny how that ONE point would've changed who won that game too.Funny how ONE point in the second quarter of a game turns the series.
Give me a break. The game and series are history. Time is better served preparing for next season.
Perhaps in the offseason the NBA will hire new refs that can see; or impliment yet a 4th ref to attemt correcting calls from the sidelines using video from the arena's cameras/video feed with a 30 sec. time limit. If not, just keep playing ball.
Stay tuned, . . .
The difference is that your centers are ing scrubs, and it really makes little difference in your game plan if they foul out. Call me when the refs deprive you of an All Star down the stretch in consecutive games.When I mentioned that the Mavs' 5's were getting called for a foul in game 1 in the first quarter every trip down even though they were just standing there with their arms straight up, I was told to STFU, it was in the first quarter. Big deal, they said. Funny how ONE point in the second quarter of a game turns the series.
So what, you hear what you want to hear, so I really don't care what you took away from your selective hearing at work. Did the unfair reffing bother you in the previous 3 seasons when the Spurs were getting the calls? Do you take that into consideration when you still celebrate your 2003 and 2005 championships?You just don't get it. This is a Spurs site. Hence, we're going to talk about situations where we got screwed. If you weren't such a dumb , you'd get it.
By the way, I work in Plano at a company of over 200 people, where only myself and 3 other guys are Spurs fans.
There wasn't a person in that building that didn't admit (some begrudgingly) the two calls Dirk got at the end of game 4 were bull . My boss has 3rd row season tickets and his first comments to me were that we got screwed.
I guess he's a Spurs homer too, what with having season tickets for the last 11 seasons and all.
If you can't deal with Spurs fans looking at what happened to the Spurs through silver and black glasses, then ing scroll or go back to mavstalk.
Your Spurs got more calls in the last 3 ing years than any other team, so boo ing hoo if they didn't get all the calls this series, it's about time that the Spurs got a little taste of that medicine. Christ, by way that the Spurs acted on the court you would have never known that the reffing was any worse than usual, they ing like their little pussies are hurting every game, it doesn't matter if the officiating is perfect.
When did we get those, exactly? The Spurs are the team that Stern would least like to have in the Finals, yet we made it there.Did the unfair reffing bother you in the previous 3 seasons when the Spurs were getting the calls?
Hey , Pop wasn't the one crying to the refs after game 1 in the press and getting 50 FTs in game 2 out of it.Christ, by way that the Spurs acted on the court you would have never known that the reffing was any worse than usual, they ing like their little pussies are hurting every game, it doesn't matter if the officiating is perfect.
As for crying on the court, no one on the Spurs has anything on Air Deutschmark and his merry band of Pubans.
All those free throws TD got from those ridiculous calls may have made a difference. But do we hear anybody saying the refs gave you that game?
Tim Duncan has never committed a foul in his life. Nor has Bruce Bowen.
I just did.All those free throws TD got from those ridiculous calls may have made a difference. But do we hear anybody saying the refs gave you that game?
I don't know why Mavs fans come in here, tell us to stop whining about the officiating, and then proceed to start talking about how the Spurs got all the calls for the last 3 years. So whining about recent horrible officiating is somehow worse than harping on (imaginary) stuff that happened years ago. Makes perfect sense.
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