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I wasn't complaining about this game, just the state of officiating in today's NBA. Have you ever turned off a Conference Finals game when the officials were announced?What a pointless thread.
Complaining about the calls when you didn't even watch the game?
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You weren't complaining about this game? That was the whole premise of this thread. You were referencing the play by play, because you didn't even watch the game (pathetic), to back up your arguement. This is the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen in my life. How about you just watch the game next time, and then STFU about the officiating. Pathetic.
The Pistons are playing like , there is no doubt about it. But damn. Some of these no calls really get under your skin.
Are we seeing an NBA that is changing back to the Jordan-like era? Less emphasis on defense and the first team to 100 wins? That if you start your drive 12 feet out and your progress is in any way deterred, there's going to be a whistle? I'm just asking for opinions here. . .
To me, that is pathetic.When I saw who the officials were, I turned off the TV. I knew the Pistons were going to lose and badly.
This is not only pathetic, but ridiculous!!!
No, and I've seen a lot of games that were called worse (I moved to Chicago in '91 and was here for all six Jordan les, so I've seen officiating at its absolute most biased). I agree the officiating is bad, absolutely. But I have zero suggestions on how to make it better; how 'bout you? Remember last Finals? If you read Spurstalk then, you would have known that Bennett Salvatore was biased against BOTH teams. Watching the games, I only notice the f'ups that go against the Pistons; watching a replay, I see lots of stuff they get away with and calls that go their way (one reason I love Bill Laimbeer courtside - he's sharp and he's honest). The refs ain't perfect, and any team that actually takes a le has had to overcome many games where the calls went against them. The Pistons got out-worked and out-smarted tonight; I'm seriously bugged about it, but that's what happened; refs are a sidebar.
Well that's just because of the fact that he calls the game in favor of the Spurs, and calls it against the Pistons. There isn't much debate. I have a hard time believing that the Pistons just have poor luck against him game after game. Last year, at one point in the playoffs, the Pistons were 1-7 when Dan Crawford or Ron Garretson officiated a game. This year they're 0-3 with Dan Crawford including the lone loss to the Bucks (foul trouble for both Wallaces early), the Home-loss to the Cavs (Billups, Sheed foul out), and Game 3 loss against the Heat (Rip fouls out, Sheed in foul trouble AGAIN). Notice a pattern?
what are you talking about? You must have not watched the NBA while MJ played, Jordan's bulls never averaged more then 100 points a game and played tough D. That era was far superior in D then now, 'no blood no foul' was the rule when the knicks played for example.
The results don't matter. The fact that someone fouled out doesn't matter. The only thing that matters when we're talking about a ref is the specific calls themselves. If the whole team fouled out in a game refed by Danny Crawford that doesn't automatically make him in the wrong if the fouls called were legit. I don't have any memory of those games to argue point for point, but I do remember in the home loss to the Cavs, Billups fouled out when he just grabbed a Cav player (LeBron I think) for his 6th foul. That's not Crawford's fault, that's on Chauncey Buh-Buh-Buh-Billups.
Also, I would point out that if this perception exists throughout the Pistons organization then it may be in the players' heads and it may affect the way they play when they see a certain official on the court. A good example of this from the Spurs side is with Jack Nies who TD (unfairly or fairly) believes has it out for him. The result of this is that when Nies makes a call against him Duncan tends to react much worse than normal, and it really affects his game. Nies CAN change the game with his call and non-calls, but what really changes the game is the way Duncan reacts to this, these reactions often have a much bigger impact than the calls themselves...
That's where people go wrong. You can't just look at the last foul and judge on that. Chauncey had 2 fouls to start the 4th quarter, and kept getting ticky-tack called on him untill he got frustrated (and also got thrown to the ground by Lebron while going after a loose ball... no call of course because it's you know who). The 1st foul counts for just as much as the 6th.
And I don't see how you can say that results don't matter. It shouldn't be nearly impossible for a 64-win team to get a win with a particular official calling the game. How is a team so incredibly tough to beat when the games are called by anyone but Dan Crawford, and so easily beaten when he is? It doesn't add up. Year after year it's not just luck. He goes by a different set of rules than everyone else. It's like he's looking for fouls that aren't there just because he hates Rasheed.
Last edited by FreshPrince22; 05-30-2006 at 03:14 AM.
The NBA doesn't have a referee problem...
... because they're doing exactly what the NBA wants them to do.
I have to agree with the premise of this thread, that the officiating is bad too often.
The Pistons and the Spurs are normally 2 of the best defensive teams in the league. They won 3 of the last 3 championships, all because of defense.
However, the Cavs were up 3-2 against Detroit, the Heat are up 3-1 against the Pistons and the Mavs beat the Spurs in 7, having been crushed more by the officiating than by the Mavericks.
I don't think that it is a coincidence that the Spurs are already eliminated from the playoffs and the Pistons are on the verge of elimination with a much more active group of officials.
I understand some of the frustration from no calls. However, imo the bigger problem (the more consistent problem) is the constant blowing of the whistle on the defensive team.
Perhaps defense is not an attractive quality for a marketer to sell. However, they are fundamentally changing the way the game is played and I am beginning to think of it as a different game, one I don't like nearly as much.
I am not big on conspiracy theories. However, a conspiracy theory is not needed to accept the hypothesis put forth here. The NBA is a business. They think that they will gain a larger market share (and greater revenue) if less physical defense is allowed. This occurred when the handcheck was disallowed to allow the goat to continue to astound us with his athleticism and get to the rim at will. However, now it is reaching an alltime low.
I also must say that I absolutely hate the offensive foul calls on Shaq. This is not his first year in the league. You can't officiate him one way for his entire career until two weeks ago and suddenly change the way the rules are interpreted and applied. At least you can't do that and be fair.
(1) Go Spurs (next year)!!!
(2) Go Pistons (this year)!!!
(3) Go Heat (if Pistons don't make it)!!!
(4) Go everybody playing the Mavs (even the lowly Suns)!!!
BTW, it ain't over. 2 of 3 next games for the Pistons are at home. The Fat Lady has stepped up to the podium, she is humming a few bars (hopefully not the Swan Song!!!) but she hasn't belted out anything yet.
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