It's not fair to compare Duncan and Dirks careers.
Duncan started on a great team. The Spurs were coming off of a 20 win season but that was because David Robinson only played 6 games. Before that they made the playoffs 7 straight times and won 60+ games a couple times if I remember correctly.
Dirk started on the Dallas Mavericks, the New Orleans Saints of the NBA at the time. Not only was his team poor but he learned the NBA from Don Nelson. So naturally he is one of the best offensive players in the league but not so great at defense. Look how far his defense and overall game has improved in just 1 1/2 seasons under Avery, he still has his best years ahead of him.
It's not a situation where you're comparing two people and one is clearly better than the other, one just landed in a better situation than the other.
You take their overall careers and its a no-brainer...Duncan all the way. Based on the play of this year and future years I'd take Dirk now. Duncan will go down as the greatest power forward in the history of the game and when it's all said and done Dirk won't be too far behind him.
careerwise duncan will end up being probably the best powerforward of all time. Dirk has one great year and people are already pushing him to the best? Dirk is capitalizing on the small ball lineups. avery johnson has found a system that works in his favor. he is constantly being guarded by smaller defenders due to his mobile ability as a 7 footer. that is a great asset for any big man. i can almost guarentee you that eventually teams will exploit his flaws and figure out a way to shut him down. bowen has done it a few times and he is giving up 3 inches or so.
i remember when KG won his MVP people were saying how he is the greatest when he only had one great year. where are the KG talks now?
not taking anything away from dirk. he is a great player, but give him some time to establish himself and prove himself before we get carried away here.
Dirk's still evolving, Duncan has pretty much done it all. Wait until the end of their careers to judge, but even then, they have different styles of ball. Regardless, they are both great players.
actually its
TD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dirk
1) it's a horrible question
2) it's a ridiculous thread
3) and i am not here to diss anybody
4) i am here to bring direction upon an otherwise, sometimes lost, forum. lol
5) you cannot even put the two players in the same sentence
better than kg??? are you serious? come on now i mean kg is by far a much more agressive player on both ends of the court than dirk, and i dare you to compare dirk on a rebounding scale with kg! dirk has been fortunate enough to play with some good coaches and he's had tremondous help on the court to get him where he's at right now on the other hand kg well its just been all kg.
Well then I guess that means Duncan is overrated too I mean look at the players and coaching staff Duncan has had on his team. Put KG on a team with Ginobli and Parker and he'd have a ring or two as well.
Will be a better discussion in a few years, but I think the post about TD anchoring one of the best defenses in the league is flawed. Seems like without a true center, he didn't anchor much of anything against the Mavs.
Different players, different styles so its comparing apples and oranges. However, one thing is beyond dispute.. TD can dominate a game on Offense AND Defense.. Dirk isn/t even close to being the Defensive presence that TD is.
shaq can dominate all he wants, the rest will get shut down...duncan dominated all he wanted and he had a great series, can't say the same for some of the other spurs...and like the poster below noted, it is a stupid thread
This is a stupid thread, they don't even play head to head when they play against each other
To all those Dirk haters.. How can you hate a guy that is 7ft. tall and does all the things Dirk does? Has Duncan EVER rebounded the ball and drove it up court and made a play? I am not saying he is better by any means but my GOD>>>give him some credit. IT takes .00001 basketball IQ to see that we are seeing a great player do some amazing things. Timmy had his day can we now give credit to someone else? I read here where someone said that Dirk can't even hold Duncans jock. Are you F'n kidding me? This guy is amazing. I am so glad he is so bad that you are even starting a thread on him. I wish some of you would just appreciate his game rather than disect it with your B.S. Afterall, there is a reason he is leading his team to a western conference championship. It sure as isn't luck.
Dirk is certainly more clutch than TD. TD has missed a ton of HUGE easy shots late in games of the playoffs the last couple years.
TD's defense has also declined. Remember Amare dropping 40 a game on him last yr and Tim's inability to contest the Mavs who penetrated this series. Tim also couldn't guard Dirk very well. As great as Duncan was offensively against the Mavs, he was terrible defensively. When the Mavs guards drove to the hoop he didnt step up and alter shots. In the switches he made, his man was able to lose him far too easily.
Basically a wash at this point in their respective careers. Also in the reg season Dirk was way better than Tim.
i take duncans first 3 years in the league over dirks career
The fact that teams can do that means he is no where near the caliber of duncan
so base on one years accomplishments is goin to put him over td? hahahahhahhaha this is lame.
IMO, Dirk had the better season, Duncan is the better player.
i still take duncans years without drob is still better overall then dirks career
Even as a Mavs fan I recognize Duncan is clearly the better all-around player than Dirk. Dirk's D has gotten a lot better over the years, but he'll never be the defender Duncan is. He'll also never be the shot-blocker Duncan is. Dirk is one of the best offensive players in the game at his position. Duncan is one of the most complete players in the game at his position.
This is an apples and oranges comparison.
Dirk is truly unique to the game. He doesn't play PF in the traditional sense that Tim does.
He's like a giant SF with perfect shooting mechanics, which is why he's such a nightmarish matchup.
If Dirk could slightly improve his defensive game, I'd say he's one of the top 2 or 3 players in the league.
Milwaukee must feel like idiots for passing on him.
Even as is, I think he's clearly top 5 at this point. Which I honestly wouldn't have believed was possible before this year.
Dirk is more clutch than TD?.... yeah i mean if TD was a 90 percent free throw shooter and was sent to shoot free throws with 5 seconds left with the game on the line I'm pretty sure he can be as clutch as dirk....
Allowing Amare 40 points a game was the strategy for that series, the Spurs wanted the Suns to score 2 at a time only. I think it worked.. I mean the Spurs won that series 4-1... oh yeah and it's hard to be as brave to go and "alter" a shot when it is a very likely thing that you will get a foul, Duncan plays smart defense.
Tim is better than Dirk... everyone's just amazed cuz Dirk is finally starting to do some of the things Duncan's done his whole career. Gotta give him props, that jumper of his is unstoppable. Makes u wonder how come when he had steve nash he couldn't do crap. STEVE NASH!
Dirk > All others
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