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If Nazr played like he played like he did in '05, I might agree with this thread.
Also, you can't make this comparison, because Shaq and Zo don't play at the same time.
Dude, we are comparing Shaq and Zo to TD and Rasho or Nazr.
If Nazr played like he played like he did in '05, I might agree with this thread.
Also, you can't make this comparison, because Shaq and Zo don't play at the same time.
Looking over last night's box, Haslem and Walker got all the minutes at PF. So if we're comparing Shaq to TD, we're comparing Rasho and Nazr to Haslem and Walker.
I'm not sure I see many similarities.
Yeah great point, especially with all that talent he had in New York, and in Miami before he retired. [sarcasm]What with all those championships he's won after leaving the Lakers, he's pretty much closed the door on any comparisons with lesser coaches that have only won a few les.
I never said I thought he was a ty coach, but if he is so incredible that other coaches with multiple les can't even be mentioned in the same sentence, shouldn't he have something more to show for it?
He does have something to show for it. I thought that 4 NBA les, 8 finals appearances with 2 teams (about to make it 9 with 3 teams), and 12 conference final appearances with 3 different teams was something, it is isn't it?
Yeah, he better work on his resume.
He wasn't putting down Riley. He was defending Pop. It's called sarcasm.
LMAO...this thread is proof that the Spurs losing was just too much for SequSpur to handle...
And from '95-03 with the Heat, he won a total of 3 playoff series, which is why he retired from coaching until this year.
Riley is a terrific coach, but he's not a miracle worker.
Pop is also a terrific coach, who has done an awful lot of things in a lot less years than Riley.
Bull , if he was defending Pop he would have posted something in Pop's defense, like his accomplishments and reasons why he believes he is a great coach, but instead he took a shot at Pat Riley for not getting any rings in New York or Miami. That is a strange way to stick up for somebody, by cutting somebody else down, don't you think?
Yeah, it's too bad he didn't have Tim Duncan and David Robinson on his team. Coaches aren't miracle workers you know, they can only be as good as the players on their roster. So do you think that Popavich is as good as Riley? Is that your point?
I love it. When a team loses, it's the coaches fault. (ie, see Pistons and Flip).
But when they win, it's all the Players.
I think it's too early to say equal, because Riley started coaching back in the 80s and has a much longer resume.
But I think that he could end up being equal or even better by the time all is said and done, and I think he's already proven he's in the same ballpark.
riles is a great coach, and has enjoyed success with markedly varied styles. up tempo in LA, defensive minded in NY and Miami. he may have got a ring if he wasn't so (un)fortunate as to have michael jordan in the same conference in the latter part of his career.
yeah, this being the first time the spurs have ever lost in the playoffs the year after a le made it even worse.
Well, he better pick up the pace because Riley is about to get number 5. I don't know if you are fully appreciating what Riley has accomplished. Otherwise you probably wouldn't say that you think Popavich may end up being better than Riley by the time it is all said and done.
Wow, 9 Finals appearances, 9 out of 23 seasons, that's pretty amazing. he's made the playoffs 21 out of 23 seasons, Popavich has already missed 2 out of 10 seasons.
I don't think that Popavich is in the same ballpark, yet. He probably will be if he continues to coach another 10 years, but I wouldn't say he is there yet.
I thought that it worked real well against the mavs especially in game 2The greater irony is that the Heat are using the same defensive system of forcing the wings baseline as what Pop used to get his team to the Finals and three les.
Guess we'll find out how that woulda worked out against the Mavs seeings Pop never tried.
How many teams were in the league when Riley started coaching? Yet 16 teams still made the playoffs, I think right?
Thats like the early NHL streaks, theyre garbage.
Don't engrave his name on the trophy yet. There's a lot of basketball left to be played.
9 finals appearances out of 23 seasons is incredibly impressive -- no question. Pop's 3 les in 9 full seasons is pretty impressive as well -- it's just over a smaller sample at this stage.
The only season that Popovich missed the playoffs, he was a midseason replacement. He has never missed the playoffs on a full season.
I may not mean "in the same ballpark" the same way you do. I mean that he's not there yet, but he's one of a few active coaches who has amassed a potential hall-of-fame resume. Three les in 9 years is a lot. He's at a fairly elite level already, right?
If he retires after 20 years without advancing past the second round again, then he's still a coach with three les, but he's fallen short of Riley's level. If he retires after 20 years with 6 or 7 les, then you could potentially make a case he's better.
You're right there is no comparison. Zo is getting 10 minutes a game in the playoffs, no way can you compare him to what people wanted pop to do and start rasho or nazr. Zo will never guard dirk, ever! Haslem, Walker and Posey will match up with Dirk in the finals where we used Fin and Bruce and that's why they will have success where we had problems. Those guys will do a decent job guarding Dirk but more importantly they will box him out and keep him off the glass.
You are absolutely correct. Teams should never be tricked into "matching up" with another team. To win championships you need to impose your will on the other team. San Antonio should have won that series and with Detroit going down I think they would beat Miami in the Finals.
Rasho and Nazr are supposed to impose "their will" on the Mavs?!?
It's a coaches job to put the players in a position to win games. Pop did that in Spades: Spurs had a chance to win every game of this series, except for game 2, which coincidentally starred the most minutes played by Nazr.
In other words, you try to get Rasho and Nazr to impose anything on the Mavs, and the Spurs are down and out in Five.
I can agree with most of that, but I seriously doubt that he will get to 6 or 7. He had Robinson and Duncan, when will his next superstar come along? A team like the Spurs doesn't look like they will get a top 5 pick anytime soon. Unless he leaves the Spurs and goes to another team, which is a distinct possibility.
BTW, I posted some bad info on him missing the playoffs 2 times, you're right it was only his first season as a replacement.
We may not have anyone to follow Tim -- no question. And 6 or 7 les is pretty damn hard to get under any conditions.
I just mean that he's on a pretty impressive pace at this point, and that has to be respected. The rest of his career will define his legacy.
Are you in' kidding me? What Riley did in his first 8 seasons as a coach is amazing. Because there were like what? 6-7 less teams you are going to call what he accomplished garbage?
82- Champs
83- Finals
84- Finals
85- Champs
86- Conference Finals
87- Champs
88- Champs
89- Finals
^^^^^^^^ You still think that is garbage? The next season he coached was in '92 with the Knicks, which is the first year he didn't make it to the conference finals, he lost in the semis. Well there were only 2-3 less teams in the league at that time. Then he got back to the conference finals again in '93, and to the Finals again in '94.
So do you think that having less teams in the NBA made it easier or harder to make it to the Finals all them times? One could make a pretty convincing arguement that adding more teams just watered down the league and destroyed the compe ion, making it easier for established teams to go far.
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