Free Agent: Jared Jeffries

[SilverPlayer]

The more imporatant question is can he hit the three. With our offense we have to have guys able to make the outside shot to keep the defenses honest. Can he do that?

[El_Mago]

Hit the three?

WTF?

We already have one the league's elite 3point shooters in Bowen....most teams rarely even have that.....We have Manu, Michael, and Brent who can shoot the rock....and Tony Parker will be working on a 3 this summer....


Jeffries can not shoot the three consistently.....and that's not the important thing.

The important thing is a versatile 3, who is long enough to guard big SG, SF's, and perimeter oriented PF's and who on the offensive end can cause matchup problems of his own.....thats the important thing.....and yes, he does fit that bill.

[strangeweather]

Hit the three?

WTF?

We already have one the league's elite 3point shooters in Bowen....most teams rarely even have that.....We have Manu, Michael, and Brent who can shoot the rock....and Tony Parker will be working on a 3 this summer....


Jeffries can not shoot the three consistently.....and that's not the important thing.

The important thing is a versatile 3, who is long enough to guard big SG, SF's, and perimeter oriented PF's and who on the offensive end can cause matchup problems of his own.....thats the important thing.....and yes, he does fit that bill.

On offense, range is important to space the floor, whether at the 3 or the 4. Tim plays inside, and both Tony and Manu are slashers who can shoot somewhat rather than pure shooters. We need guys with as much range as possible to keep other teams from sagging the defense into the lane.

Having said that, Jeffries at least has a midrange jumper -- though not a great one -- which is probably good enough.

[SilverPlayer]

Hit the three?

WTF?

We already have one the league's elite 3point shooters in Bowen....most teams rarely even have that.....We have Manu, Michael, and Brent who can shoot the rock....and Tony Parker will be working on a 3 this summer....


Jeffries can not shoot the three consistently.....and that's not the important thing.

The important thing is a versatile 3, who is long enough to guard big SG, SF's, and perimeter oriented PF's and who on the offensive end can cause matchup problems of his own.....thats the important thing.....and yes, he does fit that bill.

Have you seen guys sag off a player who can't hit a jumpshot. It's very very critical that someone can hit the three in our offense otherwise it is too easy to sag off that guy and double guys like Manu. Now it might work if you change Horry to the three on offense and put him out on the wing. But Horry won't be around forever.

[Ariel]

The more imporatant question is can he hit the three. With our offense we have to have guys able to make the outside shot to keep the defenses honest. Can he do that?

On offense, range is important to space the floor, whether at the 3 or the 4. Tim plays inside, and both Tony and Manu are slashers who can shoot somewhat rather than pure shooters. We need guys with as much range as possible to keep other teams from sagging the defense into the lane.

Show me a guy who can do it all, and I'll show you a guy out of the Spurs' budget.

[El_Mago]

Jared Jeffries does not need a three point shot to be a threat.

Jared Jeffries can shoot a jump shot. When players come at him, he is capable of creating his own shot off the dribble....due to his good handles for a player his size. He can also pose matchup problems by posting up undersized SG's, SF's, and PF's....because he can play to his back to the basket and his size is nearly the size of most Centers.

[strangeweather]

Show me a guy who can do it all, and I'll show you a guy out of the Spurs' budget.

I don't disagree, and I think Jeffries would be a fine addition if we could get him this offseason.

[ducks]

chip can fix his three point shooting

[exstatic]

WTF? If Jared is our other "big" during smallball stretches, he doesn't have to hit the three ball, just a consistant 15 footer.

[SilverPlayer]

WTF? If Jared is our other "big" during smallball stretches, he doesn't have to hit the three ball, just a consistant 15 footer.

Not according to Pop's version of small ball, but I see your point.

[Bruno]

I'm searching for a reason to like this guy. His stats are so nothing. He doesn't do anything well

That's what I think too.
He is very average and will cost the full MLE. I'm not sold on it for this price.

[exstatic]

I think he's a few steps ahead of your Ndudi Ebis, your Qyntel Woods, your Eddie Griffins if for no other reason than you don't need to pull up the airline baggage cart to pick him up. I think by the end of your fourth year, if your team is playing you only a shade over half a game, they ain't sold on you, but I've never heard anything bad from an at ude or trouble standpoint, either.

[intlspurshk]

He can at least drive and dunk, make tip-in, rebound etc. It is ten times the contribution from our centers

[El_Mago]

I don't see how people say Jared is going to go around commanding the Full MLE or thats what it will take to sign him.

For instance, last year free Agent Rajah Bell signed a very decent contract with Phoenix....5 years 24million........look at how well he has repaid him. Another, Donyell Marshall scored a contract with Cleveland for 4 years 22 million.

Jeffries did not have a 6th man season, or have a break out season.....ala....Bobby Simmon's.....5years, 47 million (MLE).....

Like I said, Jeffries can come to the Spurs for something similar to the contracts of Marshalls and Bell's.

Personally, those don't seem like bad deals to me.....especially when the player is stocked with basketball talent, gifted physical tools, great team here in SA to make him better, and a great coaching staff....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Mago,

The difference is those guys (Marshall and Bell) were unrestricted free agents, and free to go where they wanted.

Jeffries is a restricted free agent, so unless you can swing a deal with the Wizards you're going to have to overpay to the extent that Washington won't match.

[Bruno]

Jeffries did not have a 6th man season, or have a break out season.....ala....Bobby Simmon's.....5years, 47 million (MLE).....

It's not a full MLE deal.
A full MLE deal last summer was $30M/5 years.

The full MLE for Jeffries is overpaid but I think he will get that and that's why I don't want him.

[El_Mago]

Aggie, I fully understand that Jeffries is restricted.

However, I also understand that not every team will go ahead and match an offer.

Last year, Miami did not want to dish out the money that Cleveland was willing to dish out for Damon Jones. I believe it was like a 3 year deal for about 17 million. Miami did not feel comfortable with that amount for Damon, and they had other plans for their cash as well.

Washington could be in the same dilema. They are already tied up with a lot of money with other players, and they will soon have to resign Jarvis Hayes. Just last year they gave 30 million to Daniels for 5 years....already have Arenas maxed out, along with Jamison, and they extended Caron....and were not even talking about the contracts of Thomas and Haywood either.....

Just like we could possibly let Nazr walk if someone gives him too much then we think he's worth...the same can be said for Jeffries......both possibilities are extremely likely.

[El_Mago]

Sorry, when looking at the deals from last summer, I got Simmons deal mistaken with Daniels.

I had forgotten the Bucks had all that cap.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

However, I also understand that not every team will go ahead and match an offer.

My point is that to get a guy like Jeffries away, you're going to have to figure out what it will take to get outside of what Washington wants to pay him and feels he's worth, and after you roll the dice with that gamble, you've still got to tie up your money for him for two weeks.

[El_Mago]

Well, I think the Spurs brass (RC and Presti) are smart enough to not only calculate their own numbers, but Washington's as well to where the offer they offerfor Jeffries, they can pretty much make sure it will be painful for Washington to match.

[Ariel]

Mago,

The difference is those guys (Marshall and Bell) were unrestricted free agents, and free to go where they wanted.

Jeffries is a restricted free agent, so unless you can swing a deal with the Wizards you're going to have to overpay to the extent that Washington won't match.

So what?

First, you talk to him and figure out what he's expecting, and whether it makes sense for the Spurs. If he isn't willing to play for the Spurs (unlikely), or he demands more than the FO is willing to pay (possibly, but I don't think so), then it's irrelevant whether Washington would match or not.

If it's all good, then you talk to the Wiz. If their demands are reasonable, you do a S&T. If they're not, you figure out a contract that would hurt them and sign him anyway. Worst case scenario, you're tied for 7 days and end up just where you were before. And, as I've said before, I wouldn't go so far as to call it a lock they match, since they have a lot of money invested, even at his position (Butler, even Jamison is a SF tweener).

If you play your cards right, I don't think his RFA status is a dead end for him to become a Spur.

[Ariel]

you've still got to tie up your money for him for two weeks.

Nope, it's 7 days per the 2005 CBA:

When another team wants to sign a restricted free agent, it signs the player to an offer sheet, the principal terms of which the original team is given seven days to match.

[El_Mago]

Amen.

Believe me, Washington won't match....they can not afford to.....they are looking for an offensive down low presence.....

They have Jamison, but he is not cutting it.....

[exstatic]

I don't know why people think that WAS is such a lock to match. They have 13 guaranteed contracts already for next year, and some of them are fairly large, at least from a Spurs fan's perspective. However, Abe Polian has never been known for bottomless pockets, and he's already got three players, Hayes, Butler, and Jamison with contracts totalling $133M over their lengths for players playing either forward position.

Their big problem is that Arenas isn't much of a PG. That's why they signed AD, and also why he plays more minutes than Jared. When he comes in, Arenas slides to the two, Butler to the three, Jamison to the 4, and they have to have a center in there, so that leaves Jared as the odd man out.

Washington Wizards Date # of total
Player signed years salary misc FA
Calvin Booth .......... 9/7/05 2 ??? p-opt '06
Jared Jeffries ........ 7/10/02 4 $7,577,264 rc '06
Awvee Storey .......... 10/3/05 1 minimum '06
Billy Thomas .......... 2/24/06 1 minimum '06
Andray Blatche ........ 8/9/05 2 minimum '07
Jarvis Hayes .......... 8/20/03 4 $8,203,887 rc '07
Antwan Jamison ........ 1/21/99,8/28/01 4+6 $10,899,456+$79.3+mill p-opt '07
Peter John Ramos ...... 7/23/04 3 $2 million '07
Michael Ruffin ........ 8/2/05 2 $2 million '07
Gilbert Arenas ........ 7/22/03 6 $64 million p-opt '08
Etan Thomas ........... 7/29/04 6 $36.77 million p-opt '09
Antonio Daniels ....... 8/2/05 5 $30 million '10
Brendan Haywood ....... 8/3/01,11/1/04 4+5 $4,891,185 + $25 mill '10
Caron Butler .......... 7/3/02,10/31/05 4+5 $7,875,777+$46 mill '11
Donell Taylor ......... 8/16/05 ?? ??? '??

[Kori Ellis]

Looks like they have 9 guaranteed contracts not 13.

Jamison, Arenas, EThomas, Daniels, Haywood, Hayes, Ruffin, Ramos, and Butler.

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/washington.htm