Well, I understand how Piston's homers would like to believe that this team is not done and will be back next year clicking on all cylinders under the mighty "Flip" Saunders, but without Larry Brown, you guys are not championship level anymore. Without the coach that will sit in a huddle of a timeout during a pressure packed NBA finals game and say "I just want you to know, I Love you guys!" and bark at Chauncy for running and gunning 3's or sub one of the "All Stars" because of a missed Defensive assignment or get in Sheed's face for acting like an A-hole, you guys are not the same. Ben Wallace even said so. This year more than any year has to show that you need a STRONG coach that will motivate, teach and discipline their team and knows how to push each player's buttons. Flip looks like he is happy to be drawing a check. And I doubt he has ever even looked Rasheed wallace in his eyes during a timeout. Give me a break, Flip Saunders is going to take the Pistons to the promised land, yeah right!