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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    ^^Yeah, thought that would make your day. Of course we got FDR, who wasn't
    a Hitler, but did some things bordering on what Hitler did. You know like lock up
    all the Japanese and a few other little things like that.


    Watch out, you are beginning to sound like an America-hating liberal...

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    Okay folks here is some more "good" news for you. A very interesting article. Funny
    part about this business is that Bush has been trying to get people to listen to him
    about SOC and no one is interested. Another crazy fact, Bush push through another
    high cost benefit, prescription drugs, which never made sense to me. It is one of
    an en lment program. I just wonder if our Congress will ever take a good look at
    things they do and what the ultimate cost is. Anyhow, this is a pretty good read,
    even though it was printed in an English Newspaper.

    US 'could be going bankrupt'
    By Edmund Conway, Economics Editor
    (Filed: 14/07/2006)

    The United States is heading for bankruptcy, according to an extraordinary paper published by one of the key members of the country's central bank.

    A ballooning budget deficit and a pensions and welfare timebomb could send the economic superpower into insolvency, according to research by Professor Laurence Kotlikoff for the Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis, a leading cons uent of the US Federal Reserve.

    Prof Kotlikoff said that, by some measures, the US is already bankrupt. "To paraphrase the Oxford English Dictionary, is the United States at the end of its resources, exhausted, stripped bare, des ute, bereft, wanting in property, or wrecked in consequence of failure to pay its creditors," he asked.

    According to his central analysis, "the US government is, indeed, bankrupt, insofar as it will be unable to pay its creditors, who, in this context, are current and future generations to whom it has explicitly or implicitly promised future net payments of various kinds''.

    The budget deficit in the US is not massive. The Bush administration this week cut its forecasts for the fiscal shortfall this year by almost a third, saying it will come in at 2.3pc of gross domestic product. This is smaller than most European countries - including the UK - which have deficits north of 3pc of GDP.

    Prof Kotlikoff, who teaches at Boston University, says: "The proper way to consider a country's solvency is to examine the lifetime fiscal burdens facing current and future generations. If these burdens exceed the resources of those generations, get close to doing so, or simply get so high as to preclude their full collection, the country's policy will be unsustainable and can cons ute or lead to national bankruptcy.

    "Does the United States fit this bill? No one knows for sure, but there are strong reasons to believe the United States may be going broke."

    Experts have calculated that the country's long-term "fiscal gap" between all future government spending and all future receipts will widen immensely as the Baby Boomer generation retires, and as the amount the state will have to spend on healthcare and pensions soars. The total fiscal gap could be an almost incomprehensible $65.9 trillion, according to a study by Professors Gokhale and Smetters.

    The figure is massive because President George W Bush has made major tax cuts in recent years, and because the bill for Medicare, which provides health insurance for the elderly, and Medicaid, which does likewise for the poor, will increase greatly due to demographics.

    Prof Kotlikoff said: "This figure is more than five times US GDP and almost twice the size of national wealth. One way to wrap one's head around $65.9trillion is to ask what fiscal adjustments are needed to eliminate this red hole. The answers are terrifying. One solution is an immediate and permanent doubling of personal and corporate income taxes. Another is an immediate and permanent two-thirds cut in Social Security and Medicare benefits. A third alternative, were it feasible, would be to immediately and permanently cut all federal discretionary spending by 143pc."

    The scenario has serious implications for the dollar. If investors lose confidence in the US's future, and suspect the country may at some point allow inflation to erode away its debts, they may reduce their holdings of US Treasury bonds.

    Prof Kotlikoff said: "The United States has experienced high rates of inflation in the past and appears to be running the same type of fiscal policies that engendered hyperinflations in 20 countries over the past century."

    Paul Ashworth, of Capital Economics, was more sanguine about the coming retirement of the Baby Boomer generation. "For a start, the expected deterioration in the Federal budget owes more to rising per capita spending on health care than to changing demographics," he said.

    "This can be contained if the political will is there. Similarly, the expected increase in social security spending can be controlled by reducing the growth rate of benefits. Expecting a fix now is probably asking too much of short-sighted politicians who have no incentives to do so. But a fix, or at least a succession of patches, will come when the problem becomes more pressing."

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    All the partisan is getting old. Neither party up in D.C. is doing for the American party, hasn't been for years.

    It's a total joke.

    As for the article quoting the Federal Reserve dude...

    What they need to start doing to address Medicare and Medicaid is go after all the companies in the health insurance industry and get them to bring their costs down to reasonable levels.

    All those companies are making a killing here in America, charging several times their actual cost for products and services. Medication that costs $10 in Canada shouldn't cost $85 here in America when it comes from the same company.

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    ^^Huh? What did you say?

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    All the partisan is getting old. Neither party up in D.C. is doing for the American party, hasn't been for years.

    It's a total joke.

    As for the article quoting the Federal Reserve dude...

    What they need to start doing to address Medicare and Medicaid is go after all the companies in the health insurance industry and get them to bring their costs down to reasonable levels.

    All those companies are making a killing here in America, charging several times their actual cost for products and services. Medication that costs $10 in Canada shouldn't cost $85 here in America when it comes from the same company.
    Right ing on.


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    "go after all the companies"

    WTF? AHF sounds like a ing, corporate-bashing liberal.

    It's The Amighty Dollar first, last, and always. The recurrent wetdream of every businessman is to run an abusive monopoly (Bill Gates), oligarchy, cartel (oil/coal/gas/telecoms). No compe ion, high margins, etc.

    Note the federal price-fixing suit this week against electronics chip mfrs.

    Earlier, it was Archer-Daniels-Midlands and friends in the lysine market.

    Also, GE and friends in the light bulb markets.

    ATT is de-breaking up into a dominant supplier in the telecoms/networking markets.

    A key role of the federal govt is to protect consumer from rapacious, -you-over-every-time corps. But with the Repugs being owned by the corps, the Dems a little less so, consumers don't have much of a chance. One of the key objectives of the corp-owned Repugs is starve/trivialize fed govt, to deregulate markets, and products so the corps can you over with higher prices and tier, more dangerous products.

    For-profit health care is contributing to the pension crisis buy sucking $1000's out of every health-insured family over their entire lifetime, year after year, crimping Americans abilty to save and invest for retirement. For-profit health care in the USA is a huge national, inhumane failure with no end in sight.

    "free market" and "laissez-faire" and "invisible hands" really means, in the context of corps and industries with high degrees of technicity, organization, logistics, and legal armies, and 100 of $M to buy politicians, "Leave the corps free to over the customers".

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    Medication that costs $10 in Canada shouldn't cost $85 here in America when it comes from the same company.
    Have you thought to ask yourself why the Medication costs $10 in Canada? Surely you aren't suggesting such a thing by enacted in the United States?

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    At least people are starting to realize that they will never see the money that went into the program. Prepare for the future accordingly and assume you will get no benefits. If this is somehow fixed, then hey, all the better.

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    All the partisan is getting old. Neither party up in D.C. is doing for the American party, hasn't been for years.

    It's a total joke.

    As for the article quoting the Federal Reserve dude...

    What they need to start doing to address Medicare and Medicaid is go after all the companies in the health insurance industry and get them to bring their costs down to reasonable levels.

    All those companies are making a killing here in America, charging several times their actual cost for products and services. Medication that costs $10 in Canada shouldn't cost $85 here in America when it comes from the same company.
    The best way to convince the Health Insurance Industry to bring their costs down is to enact Tort Reform. Of course, even if Congress managed to push through a Tort Reform bill, it would probably end up writing a blank check to Insurance Companies while screwing over Health Care Workers and Consumers. I guess it comes down to "We're pretty much screwed."

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    Has tort reform in Texas reduced health insurance rates?

    Has anybody's TX health insurance been going down these past 2 years after Repug TX capped awards @ $250K?

    Has the global bill for health care, including medical malpractice claims, gone down in TX since 2004?

    Have any doctors had their liability/malpractice insurance go down in the same period?

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