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    I'll need independent verification.
    So, go poke around at Tora Bora...you'd better take a whole of a lot of earth-moving equipment though.

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    Since Hussein was regarded as an actual threat by the world that certainly made him a priority.
    That's why everyone supported the invasion right?

    Get the actual terrorists. This was a bug hunt.

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    That's why everyone supported the invasion right?
    As much as Kerry es about how much Iraq cost, I can only imagine if we had to spend another 8-10 billion to "shore up" the support of France, Germany, Russia, and China like Saddam did.

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    As much as Kerry es about how much Iraq cost, I can only imagine if we had to spend another 8-10 billion to "shore up" the support of France, Germany, Russia, and China like Saddam did.
    We actually did throw out several bribes to get support, so....

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    We did? You mean like giving them reconstruction contracts in Iraq? Or billions in bribe money?

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    Chump would you STFU...you sound like John Kerry in a political debate...You do nothing more than spout his political sensationalism and rhetoric like it is fact, when anyone that looks beyond Michael Moore's fat gut knows how full of Kerry actually is.

    Every one "advertised" Saddam as having WMD...Including the Democratic Presidential Candidate.

    If you really care about your friends in the millitary the last place you want to see them gathering en masse is in Tora Bora.

    Separate yourself from Kerry's nutsac and you will see we did and do have men in that region, check your history and you will see that winning a conventional millitary battle in Tora Bora is just about impossible....as is capturing Osama without the help of the locals.

    Trying to win a war in Tora Bora is what destroyed the Soviet Union, it caused them to go broke, it caused them to lose their appe e for conquest. That was Al-Qaeda's plan all along...to lure us there to the site of their greatest victory and try to get us to fight them conventionally...that's the same plan they used against the Soviets......that's why there are tons of caves and tunnels already there...That is their stronghold.

    The Soviets weren't worried about civillian casualties and they still got routed there...Our good men wouldn't stand a chance in a conventional battle in that region against expert and ruthless guerillas.


    It is a guerillia's paradise...Special Opps is definitely the way to go there, not a full millitary assault, and we've increased our Special Opps in that region. Patience...the allies didn't get Hitler in 2 and a half weeks either(and hey, it was Japan that attacked us, not Germany).
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    OT: The le of this thread is very disturbing.

    LOL, maybe I should have added anally?

    It's not near as disturbing as what will happen to Osama when the Mossad gets hold of him. I'd rather be beheaded than be Osama if that happens.

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    Every one "advertised" Saddam as having WMD...Including the Democratic Presidential Candidate.
    The Democrats were working off the same biased intelligence the Administration was working off. Im sure if we had had a competent leader who had made competent appointments to his cabinet we wouldn't be in this mess, but w did nothing to shore up intelligence during his first nine months in office. , before 911 he even voted to cut intelligence funding.

    Either way, it's rather obvious that our tradional allies, France, Germany and even China and Russia were not convinced that Saddam still possessed WMD's. In the final days leading up to the war Saddam was doing he could possibly do to convince as many people as he could that he no longer had WMD, but the U.S. under the Bush administration had set up so many qualifications to meeting U.N. resolutions that there was nothing Saddam could realistically do but prepare for war.

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    Separate yourself from Kerry's nutsac and you will see we did and do have men in that region, check your history and you will see that winning a conventional millitary battle in Tora Bora is just about impossible....as is capturing Osama without the help of the locals.


    It was so impossible to take that the Kurdish led Afghan army, backed by U.S. firepower, took the mountain less that two weeks later, and there was the real problem. Some of the rebels were Kurds, and some were Shiites, so some hated Bin Laden, but others were quite loyal to him, moreso than to the U.S., no matter the price, and almost magically Bin Laden was able to escape Tora-Bora into the autonimous Pakistan Pustan region.

    Meanwhile, U.S. forces stood Ideal in the country side while the supposed perpetrator behind 911 colaberated with our dogs of war for his final grand escape.

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    The Democrats were working off the same biased intelligence the Administration was working off. Im sure if we had had a competent leader who had made competent appointments to his cabinet we wouldn't be in this mess, but w did nothing to shore up intelligence during his first nine months in office. , before 911 he even voted to cut intelligence funding.
    What took 8 years to break cannot be fixed in 8 months. You know, I thought Bill Clinton was one of the greatest Presidents in US history...I mean like..top 5...until Sept 11th 2001. Clinton cut the intelligence in his first term, he let our nuclear intelligence fall by the wayside...he let our guard down.

    And by the way...thank you for proving that Kerry and Edwards can't even sit on the intelligence commitee and know what's going on....how the do you expect them to do it as the Pres and VP?





    Either way, it's rather obvious that our tradional allies, France, Germany and even China and Russia were not convinced that Saddam still possessed WMD's.
    Traditional allies?

    Germany? Since when?

    France? A myth...the first American Soldiers killed in WWII were killed by the Vichys. They capitulated to Germany...they captured and shipped jews off to their death by the boatload.



    Russia? You mean the country we fought in the Coldwar for 40 years?

    China? That bastion of human rights? The largest communist nation in the world? The country that sold nuclear technology to Pakistan?

    Our traditional allies?

    And by the way...all those countries were being bribed and selling Saddam weapons illiegally...they were also aiding him in starving his own people which is one of the grievances Osama used to recruit support.

    In the final days leading up to the war Saddam was doing he could possibly do to convince as many people as he could that he no longer had WMD, but the U.S. under the Bush administration had set up so many qualifications to meeting U.N. resolutions that there was nothing Saddam could realistically do but prepare for war.
    Um he could have let the weapons inspectors in to inspect anytime between 1998 and 2002. Blame Bush for that. Diminished mid east and nuclear intelligence...Saddam was allowed to kick the weapons inspectors out for 4 years.

    If there was a conspiracy there it began while the Democrats were in office.

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    What took 8 years to break cannot be fixed in 8 months. You know, I thought Bill Clinton was one of the greatest Presidents in US history...I mean like..top 5...until Sept 11th 2001. Clinton cut the intelligence in his first term, he let our nuclear intelligence fall by the wayside...he let our guard down.
    Oh please. Leading up to 911 the administration was doing all it could to sell its Missile defense system. This Reagan born bran-thrust was costing the U.S. so much that our intelligence agencies had to cut funding to other intelligence methods, such as human intelligence in the Middle East. Clinton was funding intelligence by $18 billion dollars per year more than any other President ever and billions less than countries like Israel spend on Intelligence.

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    And by the way...thank you for proving that Kerry and Edwards can't even sit on the intelligence commitee and know what's going on....how the do you expect them to do it as the Pres and VP?
    Vice President Cheney has been absent from 92% of Senate roll-calls. How can we expect him to judge fairly on topics being debated on the Senate floor if he's never there?

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    And by the way...all those countries were being bribed and selling Saddam weapons illiegally...they were also aiding him in starving his own people which is one of the grievances Osama used to recruit support.
    Does that include all the U.S. oil companies that were also illegally trading with Saddam?

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    Um he could have let the weapons inspectors in to inspect anytime between 1998 and 2002
    Saddam was in full compliance with every U.N. resolution dealing with the destruction of its WMD arsenal. The U.S. had put up so many hurdles that there was no way Saddam could ever be in full compliance with inspection requirements.

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    Saddam was in full compliance with every U.N. resolution dealing with the destruction of its WMD arsenal. The U.S. had put up so many hurdles that there was no way Saddam could ever be in full compliance with inspection requirements.
    You're a ing Ba'athist, aren't you?

    That or a ing idiot.

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