Ok, we agree 100% too then lol.
Cryant, whats classic, is , if Malik had put the numbers Rasho put up last year, youd be hailing Malik as the next coming.
But of course, Malik Rose does no wrong, even though he DIDNT want to play last year as evidenced as doing to Pop keeping him in the doghouse.
Stay Puff, Malik Rose was treated like last season because of his contract. Coming off of yet another strong performance in a championship season that was a slap in the face. The Spurs were giving him the same treatment they gave David Robinson when Pop told him to his face he was "done" and lowballing him with the assumption that they could do what they wanted with him.
If Rasho should shoot 55% from the floor, how come DRob never shot over 51% playing with Duncan?
Drob made up for it by going to the FT line a lot. He was much more efficient on offense than Rasho was.
Rasho actually shot better in Minnesotta.
Bottom line, Rasho needs to just get a bit more efficient on offense, either by getting to the line more and converting, or shooting at a higher %.
Yes we should treat guys coming off a championship season like gods no matter what they do later.
Sincerely,
Jaren Jackson
That wasn't the question.Drob made up for it by going to the FT line a lot.
Rasho did shoot 53% in Minnesotta, but they were a more offensively potent team, and Rasho didn't rebound nearly as well or play as good defense as he did this season.
If he can shoot above 50% in Minnesotta, he can do it in SA by finishing the ball better/dunking or just hitting that open jumper more.
Bottom line is Rasho doesn't need to score a lot, but for the 8-9ppg he gets, it would be nice if they came from the FT line more (provided his % gets better).
They need to put a spine in Rasho is what they need to do! Maybe some metal piping that attaches to his neck to keep it upright
Doc Oc Style? Cool!
Rose showed no reason to believe he wasn't the same player as before, unlike JJ.
Try again.
Because Robinson was a scoring threat. The Spurs ran plays for him. He was one of the go to options (until late in his career).
Rasho should be a garbage man. He should play D, rebound and block shots first, and then take shots if he's wide open second. If he's taking anything other than a dunk (or a layup in his language) or a uncontested 10 footer, he's doing something wrong.
First off i have to agree Rasho does get disturbingly low number of FTA per game. I think his last year in Minnesota he was lowest in the league at FTA per FGA. I'm not so sure this is due to his softness though. There is another interesting offensive stat that is overlooked here, and that he was 10th in the league in offensive rebounds a game, averaging nearly as many as Tim does. So i don't think he could do that if he was THAT soft. Maybe the problem with his low FTA is due to fears of getting blocked, or fears of having to shoot actual free throws since he doesn't do too well in that category. Going through his game log it's interesting to note he shot a lot more of them in the first half of the season than he did in the half. 1.5 in november, 1.9 in december and 2.7 in january, then he got 0.4 and 0.8 in february and march, and didnt even shoot one in the 7 games in april. In fact, he closed the regular season with an 11 game streak without shooting a three throw, and didn't go to the line at all during the entire Grizzlies series, extending that streak to 15 games.
As for the expectation of him going 10, 10, 2. I think 10 points should be a very realistic target for him. Even if his minutes stay the same as last season, he should be a little bit more comfortable on the offense, get a couple of more shots with a realistic goal of going over .50% from the field. I don't think his FT% will ever be 70%, but he gets to 60% (he shot 64% last year at Minnesota), i think for a Spur that will be ok.
I also expect him to get those 2 blocks a game next season. He managed this last season while adapting to a fairly complex Spur's defensive scheme so i don't see a reason why he shouldn't at least match that. If he plays 32, 33 minutes a game maybe he can even get to 2.5bp. Last year he was closer to 2.2 until the late season slump.
Rebounds though is another story. I have argued that, the same as with points scored, individual rebounds depend a lot on the overall team rebounding capabilities. If you put Kobe, McGrady, Tim, KG and Shaq on one team, they are not going to get 25ppg, even if you play them for 40 minutes a night. There are just so many shots a team can make during a game, and if you have one guy (or a couple of guys) shooting more, the other's are gonna get less. I think it applies to rebounds too. There are just so many there for a team to get (even if they outrebound the opposing team badly), so when you put Tim Duncan on a team, the other players numbers will get dwarfed. If you don't believe that, go check the stats for last year's rebounding leaders.
In the top 25 in rpg, there are 25 players from 22 different teams. The only teams who have more than one player in the top 25 are the Cavs, Hornets and .. the Spurs. I think a stat that says a lot is the one which puts Tim and Rasho 2nd (or was it 1st, not sure) in the league in rebounding tandems. Now i'm not trying to suggest Rasho is in the same league as Tim when it comes to rebounding, i'm just saying he pulls his own weight quite adequately and is often done injustice in that category.
So with Tim on the Spur's team i don't think Rasho is ever going to get 10 rebounds, unless you start playing 38-40 minutes a game. I think if he does something like last season (the Spur's WERE 3rd in the league in RPG) the team will be ok. His numbers depend on playing time though. If he gets 34 mpg, which i doubt he will, he might go for 9 rebounds a game. But that's as good as he'll do on this team. Put him on a team with a poor rebounding power forward and he gets 10 rebounds a game easily. I think he got over 12 last year for the games Tim was out.
Excuse my dyslexia
Rasho had a pretty average year.
Malik and Horry, the guys who are supposed to be the closers etc., had worse years comparatively. What should they do to not suck?
I agree he was the same player who got beat out by Willis.Rose showed no reason to believe he wasn't the same player as before
Very nice post, Karl.First off i have to agree Rasho does get disturbingly low number of FTA per game. I think his last year in Minnesota he was lowest in the league at FTA per FGA. I'm not so sure this is due to his softness though. There is another interesting offensive stat that is overlooked here, and that he was 10th in the league in offensive rebounds a game, averaging nearly as many as Tim does. So i don't think he could do that if he was THAT soft. Maybe the problem with his low FTA is due to fears of getting blocked, or fears of having to shoot actual free throws since he doesn't do too well in that category. Going through his game log it's interesting to note he shot a lot more of them in the first half of the season than he did in the half. 1.5 in november, 1.9 in december and 2.7 in january, then he got 0.4 and 0.8 in february and march, and didnt even shoot one in the 7 games in april. In fact, he closed the regular season with an 11 game streak without shooting a three throw, and didn't go to the line at all during the entire Grizzlies series, extending that streak to 15 games.
As for the expectation of him going 10, 10, 2. I think 10 points should be a very realistic target for him. Even if his minutes stay the same as last season, he should be a little bit more comfortable on the offense, get a couple of more shots with a realistic goal of going over .50% from the field. I don't think his FT% will ever be 70%, but he gets to 60% (he shot 64% last year at Minnesota), i think for a Spur that will be ok.
I also expect him to get those 2 blocks a game next season. He managed this last season while adapting to a fairly complex Spur's defensive scheme so i don't see a reason why he shouldn't at least match that. If he plays 32, 33 minutes a game maybe he can even get to 2.5bp. Last year he was closer to 2.2 until the late season slump.
Rebounds though is another story. I have argued that, the same as with points scored, individual rebounds depend a lot on the overall team rebounding capabilities. If you put Kobe, McGrady, Tim, KG and Shaq on one team, they are not going to get 25ppg, even if you play them for 40 minutes a night. There are just so many shots a team can make during a game, and if you have one guy (or a couple of guys) shooting more, the other's are gonna get less. I think it applies to rebounds too. There are just so many there for a team to get (even if they outrebound the opposing team badly), so when you put Tim Duncan on a team, the other players numbers will get dwarfed. If you don't believe that, go check the stats for last year's rebounding leaders.
In the top 25 in rpg, there are 25 players from 22 different teams. The only teams who have more than one player in the top 25 are the Cavs, Hornets and .. the Spurs. I think a stat that says a lot is the one which puts Tim and Rasho 2nd (or was it 1st, not sure) in the league in rebounding tandems. Now i'm not trying to suggest Rasho is in the same league as Tim when it comes to rebounding, i'm just saying he pulls his own weight quite adequately and is often done injustice in that category.
So with Tim on the Spur's team i don't think Rasho is ever going to get 10 rebounds, unless you start playing 38-40 minutes a game. I think if he does something like last season (the Spur's WERE 3rd in the league in RPG) the team will be ok. His numbers depend on playing time though. If he gets 34 mpg, which i doubt he will, he might go for 9 rebounds a game. But that's as good as he'll do on this team. Put him on a team with a poor rebounding power forward and he gets 10 rebounds a game easily. I think he got over 12 last year for the games Tim was out.
I would just like to point out that the Spurs lost Hedo Turkoglu. Though that doesn't effect much, it makes the team smaller and not as good rebounding-wise. That alone should allow Rasho to pick up a couple boards a game. Duncan and Manu are good rebounds, while Bowen and Parker are below average. The difference needs to be made up by Nesterovic.
Also, a good majority of his offensive rebounds were off his own misses. It wasn't uncommon for him to miss 2 or 3 layups in a row while trying to score down low. That inflated his offensive rebound stats.
Rasho isn't going to get much better folks.
Why not? The Spurs are planning on him getting better. That is why they sent over trainers to get him in shape. That is why they are beating him up to make him stronger in the post. If he's not going to be as good as a borderline crippled no-feeling-in-his-right-leg David Robinson, how are the Spurs supposed to win anything?
And aren't you the one saying Rose HAS TO get better to earn his contract?
I think the degree to which folks think he can improve is a bit lofty, therefore I say not much better.Rose HAS BEEN better.And aren't you the one saying Rose HAS TO get better to earn his contract?
So 10, 10 and 2 isn't possible?
P.S.
Rose WILL BE better.
I don't know if he'll ever be a double digit rebounder, especially if he plays 30mpg or less. Only 11 guys in the entire league got to that point last year.So 10, 10 and 2 isn't possible?Fine by me. If he is, then Rasho isn't a problem at all.Rose WILL BE better.
Play him or trade him.
rose was worse last year because he quit trying
HE IS A QUITTER AND DESERVERS TO GO TO CLIPPERS
rose even admitted he quit trying
he better be glad I am not the coach or the owner
rasho atleast does not quite
Oh yes, Rose was "beaten out" by Willis and went on, again, to be a vital part of a championship season.
You place a tad bit too much emphasis on this "beaten out" nonsense as well as apparently no recognition of the obvious fact that the Spurs wanted him gone because of the contract, regardless if he missed a few early season shots or not.
To average 10 rebounds in the 28.7 minutes he played last year, Rasho would had to have to boarded at a rate between that of Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett and ended up #3 in the league in rebounds per 48.
So yes, I believe that is a bit unrealistic.
And didn't last year.Oh yes, Rose was "beaten out" by Willis and went on, again, to be a vital part of a championship season.And you completely ignore that it actually happened.You place a tad bit too much emphasis on this "beaten out" nonsenseAnd they showcased him by benching him. Brilliant! That's the Marcus way of moving merchandise!as well as apparently no recognition of the obvious fact that the Spurs wanted him gone because of the contract
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