Long 3 vs Small 4/5

**ChumpDumper** · 06-12-2006

Dude, you said the "H" word....

**whottt** · 06-12-2006

We want what has been traditionally known as a long 3, basically a tall athletic and quick guy, that can shoot from the perimeter and rebound.

The line is blurred now because there are a ton of SF's playing at the PF and even C positions now...like Marion, Odom, Diaw, and yes, Dirk Nowitzki.

BTW, this trend was started by our own Robert Horry, who was a SF when he first entered the league(even though he was a C in college).

When I hear small 4 I think, Maurice Williams(height wise anyway)...that's not what we need.

We need a SF that can play PF in a small ball lineup...that's all guys like Marion and Odom are doing really.

This is why I am not big on Reggie Evans, to me Evans is a 4 in the traditional sense.

Anyway the Spurs know the body type and skill set they need...basically Horry 10 years younger.

**spurster** · 06-12-2006

The Spurs do have long 3s, but they are in Europe not ready yet.

**SPARKY** · 06-12-2006

What the Spurs need are rebounders on the frontline. It's not like either Radoslav or Nazr are that great. Beyond that, they need a rebounder and defender who can play the 4 in an uptempo game. Having a true backup at the 3 who can rebound and defend would also be nice.

**SenorSpur** · 06-12-2006

Originally Posted by SPARKY

What the Spurs need are rebounders on the frontline. It's not like either Radoslav or Nazr are that great. Beyond that, they need a rebounder and defender who can play the 4 in an uptempo game. Having a true backup at the 3 who can rebound and defend would also be nice.

Amen.

**MrChug** · 06-12-2006

Hakim Warrick. A winner. Mature, I'd love to see him in a black and silver uni. Also Jarred Jeffries, but I don't think we could afford him. He's pretty valuable to the Wiz

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Also, I think Jonathen Bender retired this summer, didn't he?

**strangeweather** · 06-12-2006

Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Rashard Lewis is being shopped but he wants a lot of money, doesn't play D, and doesn't rebound.

Sounds perfect!

**whottt** · 06-12-2006

Originally Posted by SPARKY

What the Spurs need are rebounders on the frontline. It's not like either Radoslav or Nazr are that great. Beyond that, they need a rebounder and defender who can play the 4 in an uptempo game. Having a true backup at the 3 who can rebound and defend would also be nice.

Nazr is an above average rebounder(above average for our team), especially on offensive glass...when he isn't stepping on his own hands.

**strangeweather** · 06-12-2006

Originally Posted by whottt

Nazr is an above average rebounder(above average for our team), especially on offensive glass...when he isn't stepping on his own hands.

He's a good offensive rebounder, but we need a good defensive rebounder far more. It's nice to have a guy that can get us second chances, but what killed us was giving up second chances to the Mavs.

**Solid D** · 06-12-2006

Unfortunately, Lamar Odom is sort of tied up right now.

**sickdsm** · 06-12-2006

you need a slightly smaller version of Eddie Griffen (available)

But in all likeliness, i think Ebi is the guy you should have had 3 years ago, its not too late for him.

**exstatic** · 06-12-2006

Even though he doesn't have the length, the guy I like who would be a realistic acquisition is James Posey. He's got kind of a nasty streak, and has better height and size than Bowen and is a better rebounder (4.9 career vs 2.9). He's younger (29) than Bowen was when we signed him, and shoots 34% from downtown, career, including some poor years early on in Denver. Playing off Shaq, he shot 40% from downtown this year.

**strangeweather** · 06-12-2006

Originally Posted by exstatic

Even though he doesn't have the length, the guy I like who would be a realistic acquisition is James Posey. He's got kind of a nasty streak, and has better height and size than Bowen and is a better rebounder (4.9 career vs 2.9). He's younger (29) than Bowen was when we signed him, and shoots 34% from downtown, career, including some poor years early on in Denver. Playing off Shaq, he shot 40% from downtown this year.

The $6.3M (player option) he's getting this year is pretty high, but at least it's the last year of the deal.

Is he really available for anything we want to trade? I can't see Miami calling Brent Barry an upgrade.

**exstatic** · 06-12-2006

Originally Posted by strangeweather

The $6.3M (player option) he's getting this year is pretty high, but at least it's the last year of the deal.

Is he really available for anything we want to trade? I can't see Miami calling Brent Barry an upgrade.

What if Zo retires? They won't really have anyone to spell Shaq. Two years of Rasho might actually look GOOD to them.

**NCaliSpurs** · 06-12-2006

This has been said and mocked before (but not by all), but does anyone wish we had swiped Shareef Abdur-Rahim? He is a decent rebounder, has some low-post game (imagine him putting josh howard or dirk in foul trouble), and is pretty long.

**texas84** · 06-12-2006

Originally Posted by Please_dont_ban_me

How much longer than Bruce Bowen can you get?

I think a long 3 is Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince, James Posey... your short 3's are Bowen, Adrian Griffin, etc.

I'm not a Spurs fan, but what would a Corey Maggette or Mike Dunleavy do for you?

**FromWayDowntown** · 06-12-2006

Originally Posted by texas84

I think a long 3 is Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince, James Posey... your short 3's are Bowen, Adrian Griffin, etc.

I'm not a Spurs fan, but what would a Corey Maggette or Mike Dunleavy do for you?

I don't think of Howard as long, but Prince is sort of the prototype for the sort of player we've been discussing here for a couple of years.

The need for a long 3 may be eliminated by a decision to pursue some athletic 4-types. To that end, there's a part of me that thinks that if the Spurs are to pursue a player on the Warriors' roster, Troy Murphy would be the most logical fit. That would assume, of course, that Murphy could be available, which I doubt. Dunleavy strikes me as a longer version of Brent Barry without the great stroke from behind the arc. Maggette is intriguing, but: (1) he's not really either a long 3 or an athletic 4; and (2) he's a guy who would demand the basketball a lot, which would take too many touches away from Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili. For that matter, Murphy brings the 2nd problem as well.

Again, there's a reason that Pop identified the need as a Derrick McKey-type. It's all about a defensive-minded, long, athletic player who can be efficient on the offensive end and content to be a relatively minor offensive contributor.

**SenorSpur** · 06-12-2006

Originally Posted by texas84

I think a long 3 is Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince, James Posey... your short 3's are Bowen, Adrian Griffin, etc.

I'm not a Spurs fan, but what would a Corey Maggette or Mike Dunleavy do for you?

Spurs could've had Josh Howard, but.......

Don't get me started on that one again.

**texas84** · 06-12-2006

Originally Posted by SenorSpur

Spurs could've had Josh Howard, but.......

Don't get me started on that one again.

I won't. The Mavs made a great pickup that day, no regrets from Mavs fan from that year's draft.

**Please_dont_ban_me** · 06-12-2006

Originally Posted by texas84

I think a long 3 is Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince, James Posey... your short 3's are Bowen, Adrian Griffin, etc.

I'm not a Spurs fan, but what would a Corey Maggette or Mike Dunleavy do for you?

Dunleavy is a nice player.

He's on Baron Davis's list, which sucks because...he's the point guard.

**Please_dont_ban_me** · 06-12-2006

Many teams "could've had Josh Howard".

**Nikos** · 06-12-2006

Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I don't think of Howard as long, but Prince is sort of the prototype for the sort of player we've been discussing here for a couple of years.

The need for a long 3 may be eliminated by a decision to pursue some athletic 4-types. To that end, there's a part of me that thinks that if the Spurs are to pursue a player on the Warriors' roster, Troy Murphy would be the most logical fit. That would assume, of course, that Murphy could be available, which I doubt. Dunleavy strikes me as a longer version of Brent Barry without the great stroke from behind the arc. Maggette is intriguing, but: (1) he's not really either a long 3 or an athletic 4; and (2) he's a guy who would demand the basketball a lot, which would take too many touches away from Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili. For that matter, Murphy brings the 2nd problem as well.

Again, there's a reason that Pop identified the need as a Derrick McKey-type. It's all about a defensive-minded, long, athletic player who can be efficient on the offensive end and content to be a relatively minor offensive contributor.

How about Hedo as the Derrick Mckey?

**NCaliSpurs** · 06-12-2006

Hedo wasn't half bad defensively and could rebound a little bit. But he didn't show in '04. Not a good way to get traded for, again. You might say Robert Horry also didn't show and still managed a great '05 showing, and I would say that Hedo is no Horry.

**FromWayDowntown** · 06-13-2006

Originally Posted by Nikos

How about Hedo as the Derrick Mckey?

Been there and done that. Hedo isn't a defensive minded player and he has shown us already that he needs shots to be an effective offensive player. Frankly, I think the Spurs are looking for someone who does more of the little things than Hedo does.

**SPARKY** · 06-13-2006

Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Been there and done that. Hedo isn't a defensive minded player and he has shown us already that he needs shots to be an effective offensive player. Frankly, I think the Spurs are looking for someone who does more of the little things than Hedo does.

Hedo worked defensively because of his size at the 2. He wasn't a bad defender, but I wouldn't expect him to do that well at the 3 and 4.

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