Howard is a PF just like Duncan is a PF with Horry on the floor. The future of the Magic is Howard and Darko. Howard will likely be the de facto center. If not then call Darko a center and in truth I'd prefer Darko to Miller. Miller is broken down half the season and he's easily bottom 1/4th defensively. Not to mention the major testicular atrpohy he suffers come playoff time.
Darko is not better than Miller, maybe he will be, but it's not even close now. You saying that Miller is hurt a lot when you just got done listing Camby? Come on admit it, Miller is a top 5 center in the NBA, which isn't saying much these days, but still he is.
Top 5 to you not to me. To me he has three major problems 1) his defense sucks and he's a mediocre rebounder, 2) as a big he's not a low post player and 3) he is often injured and I think he's wearing down. This is not even mentioning that he was a no show in the last two playoffs. Playoffs are when you step up against the elite and the elite put the real pressure on so his no showing is a major negative. Camby is oft injured too but I prefer his skill set and have more confidence he'll show up and have a significant impact at nut cutting time.
I like Darko's potential better than Miller's established and like I said Darko will function more as the PF eventuallly, he's the one developing the outside shot whle Howard's is more of a low post game.
Timberwolves don't ship KG to Sacramento in that proposed deal. It would take a deal including Bibby or Artest and probably multiple draft picks, not just the 19th pick in a pretty weak draft.
Brad Miller is a bubble top 5 center. But, in today's NBA in which more and more teams are playing two power forwards, that's not saying much.
Yeah, the number five center in today's NBA would be about the number 15 - 20 in the NBA of the Robinson, Hakeem, Mourning, Ewing, Shaq era. Rik Smits would be easily top 5 if he were playing today
Inside outside game doesn't really determine a players position anymore, Miller plays outside and is still a center. Robinson and Duncan, who played the lowpost position in that lineup? Yet, who was considered the center?
I can't stand Miller anymore, but that doesn't mean that I don't realize that he's a top 5 center. I'd also rather have Darko, but that doesn't mean he currently ranks ahead of Miller.
Whose rank? Everyone has their own. You and I apparnetly have Darko ranked ahead of Miller in terms of who we'd rather have.
But we are basing that on potential, not what he has proven. Miller is proven that he can average 15,8,5 consistantly. He is on the bubble but he is definitely right there.
I'd rather have at least 10 other players playing center instead of Miller (and a lot of them aren't even centers), but that is mainly based on potential and personal preference of skill set. I don't know if Okur is really a center but I'd rather have him playing center for the Kings than Miller. I'd also take Nazr over Miller, but Miller is probably worth more to most teams in the league and has more trade value.
Okur is a somewhat soft center who can at times play like a real center. Between Nazr and Miller I think I'd rather have neither.
In Stern's new era where perimeter defense is being outlawed teams will pay a heavy price for slow, unathletic big men like Miller.
That trade won't hapen because Bonzi is going to Detroit.
He's never had a big payday, so he'll be looking to make some money this offseason, and his value his fairly high after having a trouble-free season and a great showing in the playoffs, you won't be able to afford him after throwing too much money away on Ben Wallace. He won't take the paycut that it would require Detriot to land him.That trade won't hapen because Bonzi is going to Detroit.
That second trade is alot better for the wolves than the first.
If Hudson is starting at PG, i think you'r in trouble. Bad contract too, unhealthy body.
But i think if anyone is going to ever get KG, whether it be now or in 3 years i think it will have to include a bad contract.
If the Kings have to use Bibby to land KG, I would go after Sam Cassel for a two year contract. He said that is all he wants from the Clippers. Plus, Sam's leadership qualities may ease tensions between an Artest/Garnett duo.
^ You want us to get the alien?
Stop thinking so much.
He's going to Detroit.
sickdsm would you be willing to blow up the Wolves, do KG to the Bulls for ther 2nd this year and the NY 1st next year plus maybe a young talent like Gordon? That would give the Pups two high lottery picks this year and, since they'll suck next year, two high picks next year and two shots at Oden or worse case Durant or Noah.
Shaq
Yao
Ilgauskas
Ben Wallace
Marcus Camby
... , I'll even throw in a Mehmet Okur and even Chris Kaman for good measure.
There CAN'T be much argument there, can there????????
After Brad's performance in the PO's I'd trade him for just about anything.
indeed.
If the Wolves make this trade, I'm boycotting the NBA and the Wolves for good.
In a nuts , this trade proposal sucks. Miller is not a good inside scorer, Wells is a notorious cancer in the lockerroom and this years draft features no impact players that will help the team right away.
For the umpteenth time- Garnett is not leaving Minnesota.
Camby has way more impact than Miller. Their stats arent all you can go by
Camby alters so many shots, shuts down the inside on a regular basis and grabs heaps of boards. He is the key cog in the Nuggets fastbreak points.
Id never trade Camby for Miller. 60 games of Camby is worth more than 80 games of Miller
Miller isn't a top 5 center, and he isn't on the bubble, unless its a big ass bubble
In no real order
Shaq, Wallace, Yao, Kaman, Mourning, Camby*
Centers that are close, getting the nod (from me) over Miller:
Krstic, Mihm, Granpa Mutombo
*miller misses a ton of time too, especially towards the end of the season. this season is an anomaly. actually, i'd rather have him riding the pine injured than pulling 3 rebs a game in the playoffs
that list is ridiculous. a lakers fan who ranks mihm at all is pretty original. mihm is a piece of soft player and has been since his days playing college ball at ut. lets see, you also take mourning, camby, kristic and mutombo off that list too and then it looks more realistic. thanks for the laugh though.
Ben Wallace
Shaq
Yao
Ilgauskas
Kaman
Camby
ben wallace had as much impact during these playoffs as miller: zero.
as for Iigauskas, nah. camby is good and i could see how he could be on this list but one could certainly argue he is not better.
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