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Actually it would have to be ratified. That will be pretty interesting.
Who really cares. I hope the amendment passes. Then there will be no argument.
It will be in the Cons ution. It will be the law of the land. I will be happy and many
unhappy. But that's life.
Actually it would have to be ratified. That will be pretty interesting.
Yes, you are right. But it would be ratified. And really not interesting, it would
be the law of the land.
Protecting a piece of cloth that was probably made in communist China can't be a real issue, can it?
That is a very capitalist at ude. My happiness at the expense of others. But yep, it's life.
But it won't pass the Senate. Never has, never will.
Man, I'm so glad the party of limited government is happily propsing amendments left and right. Maybe we can have a few amendments making it illegal to sleep in on Sunday. Hooraaaaaaaaaaaaay!
I still don't know what makes anyone think that it's a great idea to amend the Cons ution to limit the rights of individuals, rather than protecting individual rights from governmental infringement.
Maybe that's just me, though.
if you have ever seen mr show, they had a whole bit on how the design of the american flag makes someone unable to on it.
Yeah, I think it is. Just you!
Bloody Yanks and your precious Cons ution.
Abortions for some -- miniature American flags for others.
Spurminator, FWD and Manny have all said it already.
Xray, I would like to know why you never answered my post asking you to give me a reason this is a good law, a factual, logical reason.
Im waiting.......
Help me with the math here Xray - how many people have sided with you in this thread?
HAHA!
You wanna know why nobody sides with you xray? It's because your political party of choice chooses to ** use the flag for political gain **, which is an insult to everyone that died defending it.
And now you know.
Boy: Say, who left all this garbage on the steps of Congress?
Amendment-to-be:
I'm not garbage.
I'm an amendment to be.
Yes, an amendment to be.
And I'm hoping that they'll ratify me.
There's a lot of flag burners
Who have got too much freedom.
I want to make it legal for policemen to beat 'em.
'Cause there's limits to our liberties.
'Least I hope and pray that there are.
'Cause those liberal freaks go too far.
Boy: But why can't we just make a law against flag burning?
Amendment-to-be: Because that law would be uncons utional. But if we change the Cons ution...
Boy: Then we could make all sorts of crazy laws.
Amendment-to-be: Now you're catching on.
Boy: But what if people say you're not good enough to be in the Cons ution?
Amendment-to-be:
Then I'll crush all opposition to me
And I'll make Ted Kennedy pay.
If he fights back, I'll say that he's gay.
Narrator: Good news, amendment. They ratified you. You're in the U.S. Cons ution.
Amendment-to-be: Oh, yeah! Door's open, boys!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haNlG...ns%20amendment
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Here is my original post, X-ray. Now you can give me an amazing argument defending your crazy conservativebeliefs.
I look forward to reading your reply.
If you don't know, nothing I say will convince you otherwise. You mind is
set in concrete. I have only my years of being on this earth, my time
spent defending this country and my love of country. Maybe someday
you can have the same thing. I have been where I could not view the
symbol of our country, old glory. And believe me when you do see it, it
gives you a feeling of comfort.
It really doesn't matter how many people have sided with me on this issue.
And what you say really doesn't matter. Your little moniker says it all
about you "Guru of Nothing". Your thoughts are a small bump in the
road.
As for you deciding for those who have died defending it, you are the
last person on earth I would look to for an opinion. You are a zero on
that matter.
Translation: I have no way of defending my beliefs, so I will use an age-old copout. I want a reason X-ray, I dont care if I wont be swayed. If you can't come up with anything then I wll know I was right. You do not even know why you believe this crap.
I really don't care what you. You got what I give you, nothing else!
You are a joke. And demanding as well. Go finish your nap, maybe
you will wake up in a better mood.
Well, we have all listed reason why this should not be a cons utional amendment, we have done what is necessary to defend our views. X-ray, you have simply said crap like "you cant know till your old!" in order to defend you nut-job views.
I know that you love to tell stories of your childhood where you had to walk 20 miles to school in the snow, up-hill both ways, and how people were patriotic and blindly followed whatever the President, who speaks the divine-word-of-God says, but those days are past. Now we require explanations for our views, and your continued evasion of an explanation has left none in doubt.
You don't have a single good reason to believe what you think, and you know this.
^^sigh
You can sigh all you want, but you have just sighed away the last ounce of credibility that you had. You have made statements, absurd statements, yet you don't have the brains or the balls to defend your beliefs. The funny thing is that you wont even list reason why you wont list reasons defending your claims. You just sigh and sputter meaningly nonsense about how we have no right to criticize, yet we do X-ray...we can make a sensible argument. We can back our beliefs with reasoning.
I have yet to see you make even the smallest step towards doing that on this forum, especially on this topic.
In the first place, I state my opinions. Of which you have no respect nor
intention of accepting. Your idea of reason is beyond most on this board.
Your sense of good reasons is only if you agree.
As far as having the "balls" to defend my beliefs. You are a joke. I have
laid them out in the real world. Which most on this board have not.
I have never said you could not criticize me or anyone else. As far as I
know it is still a free U.S. and freedom of speech has not be revoked. As
much as you wish it were, when it comes to people like me who you
disagree with.
I happen to respect the symbol of our country. Old Glory. I think it
should be protected not used as a symbol of some idiot who disagrees
with George Bush or Bill Clinton or any other President or administration.
Old Glory does not represent any one President or Administration. It
represents the United States of America. You descecrate it and you
descecrate the United States not some dumb politicians. Now that
may upset you to know that. That is what American Service members
have given their life for. That is what they are giving their life for now.
Not George Bush or Karl Rove or Chenney but the United States and
YOU dummy. For the people who's life was taken in 9/11 and on the
Cole and in the Embassies we had bombed. And the barracks in
Saudi Arabia.
Now you may not like the talk I talk, I really don't give a damn. The
amendment is not about getting anyone elected, as far as I am
concerned. You understand that? It is about protecting something
that I am and many more have given many years and as stated before
their lives to protect. A symbol of the United States of America, not
some bunch of politicians. It is not taking away anyone's right to
protest. It is about that symbol of a right to protest.
Now, I have said my piece on this. You can like it or lump it. I don't
hide behind my age, the alternative to age is not that great. I don't hide
behind my age. You can accept those facts or lump them also.
As I have said before, age does one thing. It gives you the benefit
of having been there and done that and you know what happens when
certain facts exist. Your thoughts are not original nor is any of your
so called learned professors. Mine are not, my forefathers before me
who taught me plenty of the principles I live by certainly knew what
they were talking about. They were well read, thoughtful and worked
damn hard at making life work. Unfortunately, many like you have
failed to learn those lessons and don't want to listen to those who
attempt to tell you about life.
xray...why do you want to impose your will on others?
by advocating that your personal beliefs must be embraced by everyone, you are doing precisely the same thing that liberal types are often maligned for doing in seeking to impose smoking bans on restaurants/bars, for instance.
if you dont like burning the flag, you may respond my not burning the flag. other people must be allowed to do things you don't like when those things have no tangible negative impact on you and do not affect your ability to live freely. otherwise, you don't have a free society. everyone suffers.
having a land where no one is allowed to burn a flag because of the ideals it symbolizes to some is in many ways no better than having a land where all people are required to burn flags involuntarily. Leaving consenting adults alone to determine the course of their own behavior is the overriding principal that we need to respect here.
as a political philosopher, you leave a lot to be desired.
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