Guess Spurs' fans will never have to worry about Pop having to defend three different players for getting suspended from games during a playoff run.
Shank yes they would. That's why the argument is fruitless. When Jeff Van Gundy did this type of thing last season and got fined, people respected him for standing up for his team.
You are expected to fight for your team and sometimes you have to fight a losing battle to win the winneable war.
Pop isn't dealing with a bunch of kids either. Different scenario.
Didn't know Crackhouse and Terry were kids. Thugs? Yeah. Dumb s? Yeah. We saw how he dealt with Glenn Robinson.
Any good coach whines about a ing flagrant foul call for TWO days?Hoopsfan, off the court AJ is still AJ. It's his job to ride his players. Consider that Pop got rid of a worthless coach who wasn't 'player friendly' and you'd see that what AJ is doing is what any good coach does.Gimme a break scribe, quit being such an AJ nut rider.
Look, if Avery wanted to say his piece, fine, he got that out of the way Friday afternoon.
It's Sunday and he's still whining about it. TWO DAYS. 2. Dos. More than one. ing get over it already. I don't even think Cuban whines this much. Avery has become a black Mark Cuban - a ing whiner.
You want to lecture me on respect? What about AJ? What about his series with the Spurs? I guess respect means crying to the media about Bowen's "bear hug defense" while you flash your grin and tell SA you love them and miss the fans. Talk about a stab in the ing back...It's not a lovefest; it's called respect. There's a big difference. And if you're going to have that kind of hatred to AJ then make sure you throw Mike Brown and Doc Rivers on your list as well.
AJ has become what a lot of people become when they move to Dallas and get money in their pocket - complete assholes.
As for Mike Brown and Doc...
I have the utmost respect for Mike Brown. He was hired away with class and dignity.
Doc Rivers? Eh. I lost it with the Monty Williams/Doc Tim Duncan recruiting saga, and he's talked about the Spurs ever since when he does analysis and color commentary. So yeah, don't have much for him either.
You're talking about the same AJ who as a geriatric point guard was replaced by a rookie named Tony Parker. Promptly talked about us ditching him for a young Euro point guard.
Then there's the whole series with us, where that er was stabbing us in the back every chance he got by whining about the officiating to the media. Meanwhile he's sitting back grinning his POS cajun grin while Dirk shoots 30 FTs and Tim Duncan fouls out six minutes before the end of a game and spends the whole series in foul trouble.
I'm sick of the ing blinders you and other Spurs homers have for this guy. He is Dallas sleeze now, and the sooner you and everyone else realize it (particularly Pop) is the sooner we can get back to kicking the out of the Mavs on a regular basis.
I'm tired of the lovefest, and I'm tired of Avery crying for two and a half days about his punk ass SG/SF making a punk ass foul and getting busted for it.
Great coaches whine for 72 hours about one play when they were down 18? When has Pop ever blamed the officials, let alone go on about it for three ing days? Gimme a break.
There's a difference between saying what you gotta say and going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about it like AJ is.If Avery rolled over on this, you guys would be calling him a pussy for not fighting for his team.
Hey Hoops fan just respect the other's takes. I don't give a rat's ass whether you agree with my takes or not but let's get something straight. I'm one of the few on this board that will call it straight when ANYBODY S UP.
You don't know me well enough to classify me as a nut rider and considering that Avery has helped my career and I respect him for making my job easier is my ing right. It's not about a nut ride, it's about being around him and having friends who are telling me things to help make coverage easier. Capish? There's a bunch of us up here who have gotten to see him up close and personal and are just giving a different take. So sorry you that you can't respect an opinion that comes from the heart.
Oh by the way I guess I'm a nut rider because Shaq and I are in the same fraternity too then huh?
Mike Brown has handled himselfe with total class. AJ's been a little whiny with his "I'm n whining but player A, player B" type . , he can't even be man enough to admit he's whining, a whiny whiner.
I have no big problem with AJ, I never really like or dis liked him. However I wanted to point out the "spurs orginization" originally gave manu #6 until the media made a huge deal about giving away averys number. So maybe they really didn't recognize what they did? who knows.
Concur 100%
AJ was fun as a Spur. He didn't whine or cry. He was a man with the Spurs. With Dallas, he has been intoxicated by the Cuban whinery. It is embarrassing to watch him cry over the very thing that allowed them in the finals. Bottom line. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
I hadn't really thought about this before, but it's a good point. I'm assuming, but don't know, that organizations don't reassign numbers that they've definitely decided to retire, but just haven't yet for whatever reason. Surely most of the time the decision about whether a player is jersey-retirement-worthy is made by the day he leaves the team, regardless of why he leaves, and thus the number would not be reassigned. But maybe not. Is it common for teams to assign a number to someone else and then later retire the number?
A lot of time it isn't. The only time it happened was in Chicago with MJ. The decision to retire a number isn't something that is really privy to the public; it's an internal thing. But considering that they retired #50 and #32, logic would have to follow that the Spurs organization will be retiring #6. If the Spurs win another le in the next two years with Robert Horry, you can bet that #5 will be retired along with #21, #20 and #9. It's just a matter of time when that would happen...sometimes years after a player leaves the organization.
Does anyone think when the Spurs were going to give Manu #6 they had actually forgotten Avery wore it? It was Don Harris stirring up a bunch of fans that's the reason Manu isn't #6 today and the #6 hanging in the rafter someday having Manu's name on the back.
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I wouldn't agree that retiring #50 made retiring #6 logical, but I do agree that once the Spurs retired #32 it made it a lot harder not to retire #6. If it were up to me the only two jerseys retired would be #50 and #44, but if I were in charge, only Hall of Famers would have their numbers retired and IMO so far that would only be Gervin and Robinson.
But I'm not in charge, have no control of it, and ultimately it doesn't affect my life at all, so if the Spurs want to retire #6. . . oh well. That's their decision, and if AJ meets the organization's requirements, whatever they are, then good for him.
What a whiney little .
Shoulda stopped there scribe, you're biased.considering that Avery has helped my career
The Avery Johnson that hit that jumper in Madison Square Johnson is dead. He's been replaced by a whiny, hypocritical, two-faced little with a cajun accent and that trademark wide grin.
Again, AJ. He stabbed this whole franchise in the back during our series with them, and I'm sick and tired of people saying "aw, but it's the cute little AJ that won a championship with the Spurs, so the knife in the back is okay."
And that goes from posters on this board to biased media types such as yourself and Don Harris right on up to Pop. I could give a damn what the guy is like over cold beers really, this is about what's going on out on the court.
I'm sick of the hypocritical "I'm not going to complain, but damn we're getting screwed and the suspension on Stack was bull , blah blah blah" crap from Avery.
Call it two faced, call it hypocritical, but please don't trivialize Avery's bull by calling it him standing up for his team or excusing it because he used to be a nice guy back in the day.
Dude's a chump.
well avery just had josh howard decide na game for him.
i wonder what hes gonna about now.
GO HEAT!
I think the irony is in the fact that.....
the players didn't decide game 5.
If you dont think he had reason to complain before - how about now?
Actually, it looks like Josh Howard decided this game.
Josh Howard called timeout. How much more player decision do you need?I think the irony is in the fact that.....
the players didn't decide game 5.
If you dont think he had reason to complain before - how about now?
AJ motioned for a timeout... what was he doing?, was he trying to say "Don't call timeout"?....
im talking about calling a whistle with 1.5 seconds left on the clock in overtime of game 5 of the NBA finals that is a questionable call during the regular season in the first quarter of a very tightly called game.
bad move by howard but he shouldnt have even been in that position in the first place.
A foul's a foul, I don't give a when it happens and what kind of game it happens in.im talking about calling a whistle with 1.5 seconds left on the clock in overtime of game 5 of the NBA finals that is a questionable call during the regular season in the first quarter of a very tightly called game.
People will whine and say that Dirk didn't foul Wade. The only criticism the refs deserved on that play is that they should have called it on the guy who fouled Wade - Harris.
But that would have been his sixth foul, so can't have that
A foul's a foul, I don't give a when it happens and what kind of game it happens in.
People will whine and say that Dirk didn't foul Wade. The only criticism the refs deserved on that play is that they should have called it on the guy who fouled Wade - Harris.
But that would have been his sixth foul, so can't have that
There is no way the refs are protecting harris from getting his 6th foul. Dont even -begin- to act like he has respect from the officials this early into his career.
You say a fouls a foul - I dont see the foul. If thats a foul then nowitzki on duncan at the end of game 7 is a flagrant. Im happy they didnt call that. It cheapens the game
Let the players decide.
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