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so kinda think of it as the NFL catch rule?
Exactly.
That's why where he jumped from doesn't matter. He wasn't established til he caught it.
so kinda think of it as the NFL catch rule?
Play hasn't started until someone inbounds touches the ball.
Hmmm. I don't know. Before the rule change, a player who was in the backcourt and then jumped into the frontcourt and caught the ball on a throw-in before he had landed was considered to have committed a backcourt violation.
Here's why it wasn't a violation.
That's why I said this.Frontcourt/backcourt status is not attained until a player with the ball has established a positive position in either half during (1) a jump ball, (2) a steal by a defensive player, or (3) a throw-in in the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period.
Actually I still don't think that would be a violation.
Because I believe in an out-of-bounds play under 2 minutes the player isn't in an established position until he catches the ball. So I think it's irrelevant that he jumped from front court and caught it midair.
So that settles it, I believe.
Then that settles it.
Anyone who wants to forward Cuban a copy of the rule can go ahead
One last question to the backcourviolation rule: What does "positive position" mean? Positive seems to have an alternate meaning besides "sth. good". Maybe landing with both feet? Thanks for your help.
Has somebody a link where I can find the complete rules? Thank you!!!
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The last thing I'll say on this, in somewhat of the defense of the Mavericks.
Ball in hands, foot on ground in the frontcourt. But that's not where the league will admit fault. They have a way around saying they messed up on this call. Similar to the Raiders/Pats "Tuck Rule" of a few years back, there is a lesser known "Momentum Rule" in the NBA - to where the momentum of a player could force him into the backcourt regardless of where he was previously established. IF the league says anything about this supposed gaffe, they'll pull out this card and all will be well in the world.
Back to SPORTS!
His foot isn't on the ground in that picture. Look at the video in full motion. It looks clear that his feet are off the ground when he catches it.
i watched the game the second time it came on tv and he was in the air when he caught that ball until he dropped into backcourt.... mav fans take your conspiracies somewhere else.
From the quality of that picture you can't even definitively say that's Wade catching the ball, let alone whether his foot is actually touching the ground or not...
His foot IS on the ground in that picture. Wade uses the planting of that foot to do his 180 spin into the backcourt. Unless he really is magical and can spin in midair without using something to propel him. If the league issues any sort of statement on this, it will be that Wade's momentum is what pushed him into the backcourt.
You can't post the video here. But to me, he picks up the foot (to start spinning) before he receives the ball.
The picture you posted is a freezeframe after his foot is already off the ground.
CORRECT.
He ABSOLUTELY is on the ground.
In regular speed I couldn't really tell....but on that slo-mo replay, there is no question at all that he plants the foot, and then hops over the line.
No way.
It's close. So there's no absolutely about it.
But it looks like he receives the ball as soon as he leaves the ground. I've watched it a lot of times. And I think it's pretty clear that he jumps the instant before catching it. I'd have to see it a lot closer and slower to be ABSOLUTELY sure though
i watched it twice with my 20/20 vision...unless for some reason the second time watching it and specifically the end for that play i blinked i guess he could be on the ground.....but he wasnt until he hit the backcourt. goto mavschoke.com es!
The backcourt violation was too unclear to make that call but I do think the stiff arm on Terry by Wade would have been called a foul in any other time of the game.
It is VERY close. But there's a ref looking right at it that could have made the call. But would he in the waning moments of a Game 5 of the NBA Finals? Doubtful. But the league has their butt covered should a statement come out.No way.
It's close. So there's no absolutely about it.
But it looks like he receives the ball as soon as he leaves the ground. I've watched it a lot of times. And I think it's pretty clear that he jumps the instant before catching it. I'd have to see it a lot closer and slower to be ABSOLUTELY sure though
We either way, the rule is this:
So if he caught the ball with his foot barely touching the frontcourt, that wouldn't count as establishing a positive position with the ball yet. So it didn't matter until he landed in the backcourt anyway.Frontcourt/backcourt status is not attained until a player with the ball has established a positive position in either half during (1) a jump ball, (2) a steal by a defensive player, or (3) a throw-in in the last two minutes of the fourth period and/or any overtime period.
That's the bottom line.
But having the ball and being able to turn off of one foot should qualify as being in a positive position. After all, it was having that foot on the ground that gave him the ability to turn around 180 degrees.
Shank weren't you the guy talking all kinds of about Spurs' fans whining?
Where am I whining, dude? I'm taking the hit and I don't care. I'm making a case. If a lawyer defends one side is he a whiner?
Well like I said, I don't think he had the ball until he was in the air but "positive position" is probably a judgement call.
Basically, there's not really much to about in this cir stance.
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