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    This is not accurate. Saddam did send money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Terrorists, true but nothing to do with the ones threatening us.

    Zarqawi was in the Kurdish controlled part of Iraq prior to the invasion. We knew where he was but the administration made a conscience decision not to take him out as it would lesson the arguments for invading Iraq.

    Think about that. We could have taken out al Zarqawi before the invasion and saved countless lives but Bush chose not to.

    Iraq was not up to it's eyebrows with terrorists. Afghanistan, Saudi, Somalia, the Sudan, yeah, but Iraq nope.

    This is the bloggers argument.

    I could counter by saying Clinton had the change to take out OBL, but
    didn't because some prince was in the hunting camp.

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    Yes, the Saudis have their hands bloodied too. All the ME does. It is like
    Mexico, corrupt as . Always has been and in my lifetime, always will be.
    That is why the terrorist are able to operate as freely as they do. Buy
    people off.

    But when they took on the Royal family they screwed up big time. Got a
    bunch of them killed, the terrorist. More than likely they are now back to
    the old game plan, laying low and paying off everyone again.

    the Mullahs also like all the power that this movement gives them. They
    are in this crap right up to their eyebrows.

    But we had to start somewhere and Iraq was a good a place as any. I
    was disappointed and surprised that we didn't take the whole of the ME
    on at the very beginning and some I talk to felt the same. Oil was one
    big factor I'm sure. Keeping the American public happy was another,
    we have become so jaded in our lifestyle that we don't want anything
    to interrupt it. It is sad but true.

    Bush and his daddy before him have been in bed with Fahad since the 80s....as long as they get rich with his money, they will not ever do anything to stop the flow of terrorists from that country.

    wake up!

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    This is the bloggers argument.
    An effective one.

    I could counter by saying Clinton had the change to take out OBL, but
    didn't because some prince was in the hunting camp.
    A terrible mistake. When he did try though, the Republican punditry and congress accused him of wagging the dog. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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    Well said.

    Hal is an old bitter rose tinted glasses wearing flag waving fool. He will back anything that a US president does. He probably thought Watergate was just a couple of good ol boys having some laughs.
    Yeah, jim. So much for Nixon and his dumbass group.

    No I didn't back Clinton and him getting a blowjob. But boys will be boys.
    I think in my younger days Clinton and I could have had some good times.
    Except I would have been jealous because, well because.

    I would have backed Clinton if he had enough guts to do something besides
    blow up a couple of empty tents and a Tylenol factory. But he didn't so I
    cant prove my statement.

    I just wished people would lay blame where blame should be. Bush didn't
    behead these young men. The Terrorist did and now are bragging about it.
    And Jim, you want to blame our President for the deed. That is sick and
    I mean sick.

    Where in the is the outrage against those that did the deed.
    What will you say when some other incident occurs where we insult or
    don't give a lawyer to one of these thugs. We are horrible, we are wrong,
    we are not be humane.

    Like I said, I am for going back to my youth, lets do the WWII thing,
    take no prisoners. Let's send them to their paradise at the earliest
    possible moment.

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    no matter what xray says, you can always come back with "okay, but at the end of the day you are still a partisan hack." As someone else said in this thread and I have been harping on all day, this guy will justify anything if it benifits the president.

    check out my post in the "Deficit" thread. The topic has changed from budget talk to partisan robot zombie talk. You need to respond to this one Ray.

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    We took in about 425,000 prisoners in WWII. Maybe you should be more specific.

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    We took in about 425,000 prisoners in WWII. Maybe you should be more specific.

    he meant the Nazis, his idols.

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    Bush and his daddy before him have been in bed with Fahad since the 80s....as long as they get rich with his money, they will not ever do anything to stop the flow of terrorists from that country.

    wake up!
    I am quite awake jim. Your an old Texas boy, like me. Oil has made many
    rich. And will make many more rich. But it is also the life blood of this
    country. Although many think otherwise. It is used for many more things
    than running cars. (many a young girl can testify to that, right jim).
    Just throwing in a little humor.

    You cannot cut off the flow of oil from those countries without shutting down
    everything moving over here, except essential transportation. I am not sure
    nor or the politicians, that the public is ready for that. My God, look how
    they are screaming now about price, although it has never kept up with
    the inflation rate.

    People just don't know what rationing is really all about. And wont
    until they have to live with it. I think they average family in WWII got
    about two gallons of gas a week. Tires were non-existent. Cigarettes
    were scarce. And many other everyday objects disappeared altogether.
    Think we are really ready for all that?

    Oh, and jim, don't forget Bush had a big interest in the Rangers baseball
    team. Think he may be recruiting over there?

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    Yeah, jim. So much for Nixon and his dumbass group.

    No I didn't back Clinton and him getting a blowjob. But boys will be boys.
    I think in my younger days Clinton and I could have had some good times.
    Except I would have been jealous because, well because.

    I would have backed Clinton if he had enough guts to do something besides
    blow up a couple of empty tents and a Tylenol factory. But he didn't so I
    cant prove my statement.

    I just wished people would lay blame where blame should be. Bush didn't
    behead these young men. The Terrorist did and now are bragging about it.
    And Jim, you want to blame our President for the deed. That is sick and
    I mean sick.

    Where in the is the outrage against those that did the deed.
    What will you say when some other incident occurs where we insult or
    don't give a lawyer to one of these thugs. We are horrible, we are wrong,
    we are not be humane.

    Like I said, I am for going back to my youth, lets do the WWII thing,
    take no prisoners. Let's send them to their paradise at the earliest
    possible moment.

    What good will it do to blame the terrorists??? Have you not learned anything from the Israelis???? One act begets another and on and on and on and on and on. We kill them, they kill us. That is never going to stop. Bush created the Iraqi terrorists....do you not agree with this?????

    Had we not illegally invaded Iraq, there would be no terrorists beheading our soldiers. The terrorists of today were the Republican Guard of yesterday, they were totally innocuous to our soldiers prior to our invasion.

    Bush has blood on his hands, because he created the environment in which all young men are dying.

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    We took in about 425,000 prisoners in WWII. Maybe you should be more specific.

    Well Chump, an apt name, I am talking about the Pacific Theater. They
    finally had to tell the troops to stop. We needed some prisoners to question
    for intel.

    The European theater was a different matter. Study a little history and you
    will see many of the German prisoners were brought to Texas.

    None of the Japanese were brought to the states as far as I remember.

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    Xray would need three promotions to get to be an asshole.

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    Hal, we need oil, but we need an alternative energy source even more. We have the technology to decrease our dependence on foreign oil, but Bush will have none of it, because his family is wealthy becauuse of oil and he owes people for it...people in the industry.

    Bush could care less about Iraq being free. If he was so concerned about freedom, why do we let other dictators in the world(Africa, Latin America, Far East) have Carte blanche? Because they do not have oil, that is why.

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    What good will it do to blame the terrorists??? Have you not learned anything from the Israelis???? One act begets another and on and on and on and on and on. We kill them, they kill us. That is never going to stop. Bush created the Iraqi terrorists....do you not agree with this?????

    Had we not illegally invaded Iraq, there would be no terrorists beheading our soldiers. The terrorists of today were the Republican Guard of yesterday, they were totally innocuous to our soldiers prior to our invasion.

    Bush has blood on his hands, because he created the environment in which all young men are dying.

    Nope, I don't agree with that. Yes, there will always be terrorist. There
    were before this started. There was always murder, there will always be
    murder. But it doesn't mean you quit fighting it.

    We didn't illegally invade Iraq. It was authorized by Congress. Bush
    complied with their wishes and they debated it and passed a resolution
    backing it.

    Bush created no enviornment. He did not seek nor was he looking for
    any excuse to invade Iraq or any other nation. Events occured before he
    was President, as cited in previous post. He reacted to an act of war.
    The attacked on the WTC on 9/11 that killed 2000 people. Are you
    forgetting that. More than were killed at Pearl Harbor. What are we
    to do when the next act of war occurs? Ignore it. It is going to happen
    you know that don't you. It is not if, it is when. We cant be lucky
    forever. Our open borders invite all to come in. And there many that
    don't want anything done to prevent it. Like listening in to phone
    calls on international frequencies. A whole different argument.

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    Well Chump, an apt name, I am talking about the Pacific Theater. They
    finally had to tell the troops to stop. We needed some prisoners to question
    for intel.

    The European theater was a different matter. Study a little history and you
    will see many of the German prisoners were brought to Texas.

    None of the Japanese were brought to the states as far as I remember.
    About 5500 Japanese prisoners of war were held in the US. Perhaps it is you who should study a little history.

    Besides, what the was your point? Kill everyone indiscriminately?

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    Hal, we need oil, but we need an alternative energy source even more. We have the technology to decrease our dependence on foreign oil, but Bush will have none of it, because his family is wealthy becauuse of oil and he owes people for it...people in the industry.

    Bush could care less about Iraq being free. If he was so concerned about freedom, why do we let other dictators in the world(Africa, Latin America, Far East) have Carte blanche? Because they do not have oil, that is why.
    Jim I agree, the world is in terrible shape, dictator wise. But where in the
    do we start and where do we stop. People have been starving for as
    long as I can remember. I don't like it. But I cant feed all of them, nor can
    our country. I guess what I am saying is that we have to set priorities.
    And self interest is one of the biggest. Oil is in our self interest. Not just
    the industry, and you know that. You are just like me and everyone
    else over here. We have always been mobile and want to stay that way.
    That is why people who deal in oil got rich. I disagree on one point about
    Africa. It is rich in oil and we haven't done a of a lot about their
    problem and they have one of the biggest in the world. Hunger and
    poverty and HIV. Go figuer.

    Yes, we need to look down the road for alternative sources of fuel. But
    in your lifetime, cause you are younger, you oant see one. Oil is too
    plentiful and cheap, conpared to other sources of energy. One of the
    things we need to do is drill more of our own. Our oil production has
    actually decreased while every other countries oil production has increased.
    We have so many oil resources available and people think the world is
    going to end if we tap into them. While just miles off our own coast
    other countries are starting to drill (China for Cuba).

    But not the subject. Just don't forget who slaughtered these young men.
    It was not Bush. It was the terrorist.

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    About 5500 Japanese prisoners of war were held in the US. Perhaps it is you who should study a little history.

    Besides, what the was your point? Kill everyone indiscriminately?
    5500, wow! How many did you say were taken.

    I said nothing about indiscriminately.

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    At long last, what is your point?

    How should this be like WWII?

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    We take no prisoners. They fight us, they die. Pure and simple. They attempt
    to give up, they die. Just like they did to young men who surrendered and was
    slaughtered.

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    We take no prisoners. They fight us, they die. Pure and simple. They attempt
    to give up, they die. Just like they did to young men who surrendered and was
    slaughtered.

    So it's wrong for them to do it to us, but not the other way around?

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    They started it, we finish it. Is that so hard to understand. Just like WWII.

    If they want to fight that way, I have no problem. Lets just don't
    pretend we cant do what they do.

    Mess with the bull, you get the horn.

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    They started it, we finish it. Is that so hard to understand. Just like WWII.

    If they want to fight that way, I have no problem. Lets just don't
    pretend we cant do what they do.

    Mess with the bull, you get the horn.

    Didn't you tell somebody they should learn to live by the rules in another thread? Same advice doesn't apply to you?

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    That is living by the rules. The ones they made. They didn't like ours. So we
    will play by theirs.

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    That is living by the rules. The ones they made. They didn't like ours. So we
    will play by theirs.
    So you're suggesting that the rules should be changed to fit the situation?

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    Impeach Bush!

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    Most accounts I read say the Japanese didn't surrender most of the time and fought to the death.

    Anyway, this is a very different conflict.

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