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Ron Artest, tell us how you really feel.
im glad im black because it shows us black people can kick some ass baby!
just kidding but he did kick his though damn.
Ron Artest, tell us how you really feel.
If you throw an elbow or a punch like that, you better be prepared for whatever's coming back. The amount of retailiation was uncalled for, but if that happened walking down the street, you'd have a case for self-defense.
The guy's dad, and I presume the gist of the CNN story, was that his son was completely innocent and the attack was unprovoked. That's not true.
but he reacted to a foul by severely beating him. That's all it basically was, was an offensive foul. We can't tell what words were exchanged or if they had been jostling like this for a while (guy said 5 minutes into the game though) so who knows.
Yea, that wasn't right at all but why in the did he start the whole thing to begin with. They are both to blame.
I got outta the interview that he was mad because he kept on punching him after he was out cold... the dude got about 3 good punches on the back of his head when he was down.
That is what was shocking to me. The dude was out cold laying face down, and the guy went nuts punching the out of the back of his head. The initial part wasn't all that big of a deal to me since fights happen and you can't avoid them all, it was how excessive it was. I wonder how long that beating would have gone on if somebody wouldn't have broken it up. Was it his dad that got onto the court so fast?
It doesn't work that way. You don't shove somebody and "asked to get shoved back". Once you make the down payment, you better be prepared to write the whole check.
If it wasnt on the basketball court and he did this would you be ok with it, I only say this because you refer to
it as a "reaction to a foul"
Obviously not ... but it's a basketball court (and a high school one at that)... not the street.
you'd have lawyers filing for lawsuits after every flagrant foul or hard foul in the NBA and collegiate level if we went by that thinking.
So every time a guy puts a hard foul on Shaq, he's just asking Shaq to crack his head open against the basket support or something? This is basketball, not the ultimate fighting championship.
I didn't say he's "just asking" for anything. That's your strawman.
But just to take care of this once and for all:
1. This guy didn't "put a hard foul" on anyone. He wasn't trying to establish position or prevent a layup. He shoved a guy in open court. (He may have even punched him or thrown an elbow, it's not clear). He wasn't even thinking about a basketball play of any sort. Basically he was hitting the guy just to hit him. You do that walking down the street, it's assault.
2. If you do something like that to any player, Shaq included, yeah, you better be prepared for retailation, and possibly escalation. If you don't you're flat out stupid.
So Mavs Man, if Shaq had beat the crap out of Stack after that hard foul, the way the dude did in the video, would you be saying Stack was asking for it? And that he is just as much to blame?
It isn't that hard to tell that the kid didn't hit his attacker first, he pushed him. He didn't shove him just to shove him, watch it again, it was provoked. It also appears that the attacker started the whole altercation by pushing or trying to trip the kid, he then shoved the attacker back, and then whamo.
You can't compare a shove on the basketball court that was provoked or even unprovoked to an assult on the street, that is ridiculous. There is without a doubt a reasonable expectation that comes along with sports that there will be some altercations that usually go as far as a shove, maybe even a punch. But knocking somebody out, jumping on them, and beating the holy out of an unconcious person is way beyond anything that can be explained away by anything.
Maybe if the kid squared up and acted like he was going to try and fight the attacker, I could see that being a scenario that could result in something like this. A lone shove doesn't explain this behavior.
BTW, the kid that got his ass kicked double dribbled and traveled big-time at the first part of the clip. That might be the worst no call I've ever seen.
Holy , that kid got his ass kicked. There is never a call for that. Some people are just ing insane. I got blindsided by a kid like that when I was in the sixth grade. He's probably in jail now. I hope he is being ass raped right this second in prison. Or dead. Bitter?
lol "he deserved it". riiiiiight.
I've played plenty of basketball in my day, and still do, and compe ive, but healthy, pushing and shoving is part of the game. Defenders will push you physically AND mentally a little bit (just ask Dirk :P). They'll try to see how much, and how hard, they can guard you, or how much they can get away with in the open court. During the game, you rightfully must let them know what they can and cant do (ie white jersey pushing off the black jersey'd kid). I'm not saying thats exactly what happened, but if it did, thats no invitation to catch a beatdown, let alone in a organized highschool game. We're talking about a physical game here, if a beatdown is "deserved" because of a push like that, then damn, why arent we seeing more beatdowns?
I dunno, it didnt look like a "I'm pushing you to initiate a fight so I can kick your ass" kind of push by the dude in the white jersey.
Yeah, contact like that is part of the game. Like I said, some people are just uneven.
Looks like to me that white jersey throws an elbow at black jersey and then bumps him all the way up court and then finally pushes him. I could easily see where the initial punch comes from but throwing him to the ground and then swinging at the back of his head took it too far. If he would have just thrown the punch, I would say white jersey deserved what was coming. But to punch a guy laying face first on the court is weak.
That said, where were the teammates? I know if I'm on a team and something like that breaks out, I'm there to protect my teammate and/or break it up. Everyone just kinda watched it happen.
You do that on the street and both parties probably end up beaten up.
Dude's going to juvie.
Once he's down, flex and act like a badass. Don't keep hitting him.
I'd also say don't be black in Kansas if you're going to pull that , but that's not practical.
Exactly. Something a la Scottie Pippen stepping over Patrick Ewing would have done the trick.
THe kid that got beat up didn't start it...he got shoved first when they were running up the court, then he shoved back at the top of the key, then the other kid threw him down on his head and proceeded to wail the out of him while he was unconcious.
It's not real hard to throw someone down on their head in a basketball game...
Was a punk ass move plain and simple...
Using the logic of some of the people in this thread...now if that kid goes and gets a gun and shoots the dude that beat him up...
Hey it's justified...you don't throw someone down on their head and beat their unconcious ass and not expect retaliation....or else you're stupid.
I've always felt that the Rodney King beating was understandable...I mean hey...you don't resist arrest against 10 ing cops with billyclubs and not expect to get hospitalized and nearly beaten to death...or else you're stupid.
a hard foul is not the same as a blatant shove/elbow in the open court. like i said before they are both to blame. i feel sorry for the poor kid although he kinda asked for it.
You're an idiot...he shoved the kid and was in the process of getting beaten to death.
I want you to show me where he asked to get beaten while unconcious...you are seriously ed in the head.
The Kid's body is completely limp and asshole not only doesn't stop beating him, he adjusts himself so he can get better shots in on the side of his head.
The s bag that did it has some serious anger issues, he's going to wind up in prison if doesn't get a grip...
Oh...he's kind of asking for it.
Mavfan only wonders why he didn't start working the nutsac.
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