Available: Paul Pierce

[ChumpDumper]

The Celtics really can't "blow it up" very easily. Even if they dump Pierce for a 2nd rounder, they still have $20-25 million worth of white guy each year through '09.

[whottt]

The Spurs have a defacto starting lineup of talent they can trade to a team....

Scola - Widely considered to be the best PF in Europe
Javtokas - Top defensive C in Europe
Beno - talented if inconsistent young PG with championship experience.
Mahnimi - Still growing 6'11 guy with hustle

Plus they've got expiring contracts of guys.

It's not like the Spurs don't have talent to give up...

IF the Celts are blowing it up they aren't going to want some POS over-rated star from another team....they'd stick with Pierce if that is what they wanted.


Danny Ainge can be a prick too, oldschool style...he might do something like that just to the Mavericks over..If the deal helps him he won't care if SA gets a couple of les out of it...especially it screws over someone he doesn't like.

[SPARKY]

Other things give SPARKY a woody. But I guess we shouldn't discuss trades in the offseason and stick to thinking about what gives men 'woodies'...

[exstatic]

Trades go down every year that don't make player for player sense. Either a player wants out or a team wants to be shed of salary. That's why ending contracts are a commodity, and I doubt many teams have enough to pull this deal.

If Boston is blowing it up, that's all they're going to want. If they're not blowing it up, then they won't trade Pierce.

[Mr. Body]

Did the Lakers get back equal value in '04 when they dealt Shaq? I guess that was on NBA Live so it doesn't count.

MUST-TRADE scenario. They got what they could for him, didn't they?

If Boston doesn't get a young budding star or some good established vets near their prime for Pierce, there's rioting on the Common. If they trade Pierce they're looking at a Ray Allen or a Michael Redd. They could pull an Al Harrington.

Does Nazr Mohammed fit that bill?

All this talk is patently ridiculous. Absolutely re ed.

[whottt]

The one thing we probably won't do is include Robert Horry in the trade...

Don't think Ainge wants Horry, call it a hunch, and the feeling is probably mutual.

[SPARKY]

The Spurs have a defacto starting lineup of talent they can trade to a team....

Scola - Widely considered to be the best PF in Europe
Javtokas - Top defensive C in Europe
Beno - talented if inconsistent young PG with championship experience.
Mahnimi - Still growing 6'11 guy with hustle

Plus they've got expiring contracts of guys.

It's not like the Spurs don't have talent to give up...

IF the Celts are blowing it up they aren't going to want some POS over-rated star from another team....they'd stick with Pierce if that is what they wanted.


Danny Ainge can be a prick too, oldschool style...he might do something like that just to the Mavericks over..If the deal helps him he won't care if SA gets a couple of les out of it...especially it screws over someone he doesn't like.

The Spurs' prospects do carry the imprimatur of the player-personnel staff's past successes. Of course, there is the little matter of why the Spurs would be giving up their choicest prospects.

[whottt]

The Spurs' prospects do carry the imprimatur of the player-personnel staff's past successes. Of course, there is the little matter of why the Spurs would be giving up their choicest prospects.

Because Paul Pierce is a ing stud...that's why.

[SPARKY]

MUST-TRADE scenario. They got what they could for him, didn't they?

If Boston doesn't get a young budding star or some good established vets near their prime for Pierce, there's rioting on the Common. If they trade Pierce they're looking at a Ray Allen or a Michael Redd. They could pull an Al Harrington.

Does Nazr Mohammed fit that bill?

All this talk is patently ridiculous. Absolutely re ed.

And yet, you're in the middle of it. Anyways, yes, must trade. If a situation isn't working perhaps it's best to blow it up and get some cap relief.

[Mr. Body]

And yet, you're in the middle of it. Anyways, yes, must trade. If a situation isn't working perhaps it's best to blow it up and get some cap relief.

Ok, I'll concede. If the Spurs can make it work, do it. Bring Manu off the bench. I just have to think, in a league of 28 other teams, the Celtics have to find a more attractive deal somewhere.

[SequSpur]

The Spurs need to trade Ginobili, Scola, Javtokas, Beno and Bonner for Jermaine Oneal.

That would seal the deal for the next 5 years.

[whottt]

they still have $20-25 million worth of white guy each year through '09.

Need I point out that Danny Ainge is the GM...

#1. He likes white guys(and so does Auerbach), he's why they have 25 million worth.

#2. He's probably tired of tude and wants team player types that won't make waves. The Spurs have a track record of getting those kinds of players.

[Nesterofish]

If the Lakers are looking to blow it up and start over around Kobe, maybe the Spurs could get Lamar Odom.

If David Stern and Peter Holt had a gentleman's agreement to tank the 2006 playoffs in order to get Dwyane Wade anointed the next Jordan, maybe Stern pays Holt back by getting Andrei kirilenko traded to SA for scrubs.

If I can impact reality by typing in my dumb wishful thinking onto a message board, maybe the Spurs can get Paul Pierce.

[SequSpur]

Lamar Odom is the spokes person for Qtip.

No way.

[Mr. Body]

Need I point out that Danny Ainge is the GM...

#1. He likes white guys(and so does Auerbach), he's why they have 25 million worth.

It's not really Ainge. It's Boston. With Cincinnati, perhaps the most overtly racist city in the north.

[Quadzilla99]

Anybody who thinks we're getting PP w/o giving up at least Tim, Tony, or Manu should be permanently banned from this site for idiocy.

[whottt]

The Spurs can trade cap space and young talent...

Why the Celtics wants to just trade out Pierce for someone else?

They aren't getting anyone established, that's better than he is, for him.

The Spurs deal would be better than the #1 pick in this draft...

[whottt]

Ok naysayers....who will the Celtics trade him for...tell us.

Chris Webber? AI?

Do you really think that's what they want to do?

Garnett? Garnett is in the same boat as Pierce...stud player but can't do it without help.

They're not getting Bosh, or Howard or anything like that for him either...

So who are they trading with? Who can they get that's better than what the Spurs can offer?

[SPARKY]

Ok, I'll concede. If the Spurs can make it work, do it. Bring Manu off the bench. I just have to think, in a league of 28 other teams, the Celtics have to find a more attractive deal somewhere.

I'm not saying it's a sure thing. But we've seen deals go down that suck from a basketball perspective in recent times. The Spurs have a variety of soon to be ending contracts plus prospects. Scola would be a nice pickup for many a team. Udrih, for all of his struggles in SA, is still a solid point guard talent with a knack for scoring and distributing the ball. In the right system he'd be productive and there are always teams that wouldn't mind that. Mahinmi and Sanikidze are unknowns but bear the mark of the Spurs' braintrust. All I really want is to see the Spurs get what they need with their tradeable assets. But man, you never know. NBA history is littered with bad deals and that means that someone made out like bandits.

[ChumpDumper]

Need I point out that Danny Ainge is the GM...

#1. He likes white guys(and so does Auerbach), he's why they have 25 million worth.

#2. He's probably tired of tude and wants team player types that won't make waves. The Spurs have a track record of getting those kinds of players.

I know why Boston likes whitey. I'm talking about the difficulty of blowing up the team when those deals are still there.

[Mr. Body]

You have to understand Boston fans are some of the most cuckoo fans in the world. They think they're steps away from the championship. They think Al Jefferson is the next Dwight Howard and Tony Allen is just as fast as Parker. They think Pierce is awesome and with the right coach, instead of Doc, they'd be at least EC champs.

Seriously now, their FO knows that if they get Nazr Mohammed and scrubs for their franchise guy, it's pitchforks and torches. You don't tear up a championship squad like that.

[whottt]

I am surprised that so many think the Spurs are devoid of tradeabgle commodoties outside of Tony, Manu, Tim. They aren't...they've got tradeable assets...

The main reason teams don't want to deal with us is because they don't want to make us better...Ainge isn't worried about that.

[whottt]

You have to understand Boston fans are some of the most cuckoo fans in the world. They think they're steps away from the championship. They think Al Jefferson is the next Dwight Howard and Tony Allen is just as fast as Parker. They think Pierce is awesome and with the right coach, instead of Doc, they'd be at least EC champs.

Seriously now, their FO knows that if they get Nazr Mohammed and scrubs for their franchise guy, it's pitchforks and torches. You don't tear up a championship squad like that.

You didn't answer the question...

He's already on the block...tell me what deal they are going to get for Pierce that clears cap room and restocks them with young talent at nearly every position...


I'm not talking Nazr here...

I'm talling Scola, Javtokas, Beno, Mahnimi...Barry.

Whose going to offer them better?


You think they'll do it for AI? Ainge doesn't think that way.

[Mr. Body]

You didn't answer the question...

He's already on the block...tell me what deal they are going to get for Pierce that clears cap room and restocks them with young talent at nearly every position...

Jesus, I don't have time to go through and devise trades.

[exstatic]

Hey they can have Manu. I don't GAF. He's older than Pierce (by months), and he's more or less white, a selling point in Beantown. I just don't think they want ANYONE with 4 years left on their deal. That's what is involved in blowing up a team.

Pierce is a ing stud, and even not being the man, could EASILY put up 20p/6r/5a in a secondary role in the Spurs system, and be there every night.

Parker/Pierce would be the prizefighter backcourt: the Jab and the Haymaker.