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    "what does it matter to you why we're in Iraq"

    A lot of us care deeply how the USA's lethal powers are used to destroy life and property, especially when invading other countries and starting wars of ing choice, and especially when real and direct enemies of USA are in lots of places EXCEPT Iraq.

    "I am active duty military"

    If you don't understand what I say above, you're aren't worth my time to explain it.

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    tom cotton sounds like a fake name IMO

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    I'm guessing that Lt. Cotton didn't have to ask his parents for protective gear.

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    The Cons ution is pretty much unequivocal in providing that Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of the press. I'd say that the Founding Fathers very clearly took that question out of Congressional hands. Until someone suggests in a court in this country that the NYT has violated some other law, I'd think the Times' editorial decisions are its own -- and even if there's a lawsuit, the Times will likely have First Amendment protection, at least to some point.

    Thus, to answer your question, it is the Times that sets the boundaries, just as the Framers of the Cons ution intended.
    That means, that they can give away the plans of anything we do to
    protect ourselves. Right?

    And I will suggest they have violated the laws of this land.

    If you think, and our lawmakers, agree that the first amendment protects
    someone who disclose our way of protecting ourselves. Then you are
    an absolute, blithering idiot.

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    That means, that they can give away the plans of anything we do to
    protect ourselves. Right?

    And I will suggest they have violated the laws of this land.

    If you think, and our lawmakers, agree that the first amendment protects
    someone who disclose our way of protecting ourselves. Then you are
    an absolute, blithering idiot.
    If they commit espionage (or break some other law) and it can be proven, the First Amendment provides no protection. But until you can prove that the Times broke a recognized law (and not the law as xray sees it), the First Amendment right is fairly significant.

    The point of your question, I thought, was whether Congress has any power to regulate the press or whether that's left to the press and the courts. My point was that Congress has virtually no power to limit what press does.

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    "what does it matter to you why we're in Iraq"

    A lot of us care deeply how the USA's lethal powers are used to destroy life and property, especially when invading other countries and starting wars of ing choice, and especially when real and direct enemies of USA are in lots of places EXCEPT Iraq.

    "I am active duty military"

    If you don't understand what I say above, you're aren't worth my time to explain it.
    Geez, nice reply. I'm hurt. You must be a member of Comrade Sheehan's thumb sucking group.

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    Geez, nice reply. I'm hurt. You must be a member of Comrade Sheehan's thumb sucking group.

    Ok I'll simplify it for you. There quite a few Americans who think this war was unecessary and that since we carry 'the' big stick we should use it as a last resort rather than irresponsibly. Better ditto head? Or do I need to say "liberals are evil folks and I am right 98.5 % of the time"..

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    That means, that they can give away the plans of anything we do to
    protect ourselves. Right?

    And I will suggest they have violated the laws of this land.

    If you think, and our lawmakers, agree that the first amendment protects
    someone who disclose our way of protecting ourselves. Then you are
    an absolute, blithering idiot.

    In zebra's world govt can do anything it wants in secret.. scary thought

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    Still waiting on the WSJ indictments....

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    Ok I'll simplify it for you. There quite a few Americans who think this war was unecessary and that since we carry 'the' big stick we should use it as a last resort rather than irresponsibly. Better ditto head? Or do I need to say "liberals are evil folks and I am right 98.5 % of the time"..
    OOOOOO.....look out, boutons got back up!!

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    OOOOOO.....look out, boutons got back up!!


    Since boutons doesn't like beiung protected by the U.S. Armed Forces, maybe we should send him to Iraq and let him fend for himself. I'm sure the insurgents will treat him real good since he hates Bush so much.

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    "Since boutons doesn't like beiung protected by the U.S. Armed Forces"

    yo dumb , the US military isn't protecting the US from anybody in Iraq.

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    Since boutons doesn't like beiung protected by the U.S. Armed Forces, maybe we should send him to Iraq and let him fend for himself. I'm sure the insurgents will treat him real good since he hates Bush so much.
    Boutons and insurgents have exactly what in common with the statements he makes?

    Jesus- ing-Christ, if I were a conservative like xray, I would be completely ing embarassed by my colleagues here at Spurstalk.

    Think about this for a moment.....

    NBADan is a total leftist, IMO. BUT! He can back his up. Which makes him legit.

    Same with boutons_ vitriol-laced statements.

    But if I were X, I would be thinking to myself "Please God, dont let the neo-con idiots show up in this thread. They are idiots even to me..."

    Then..

    dun...dun.....DUN!

    They arrive, ignorance in tow, crouched, ready for inaction and intolerance.

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    Nestor ,

    Did you notice the military has recently raised the active duty age a few years?

    Not enough red-staters who voted for dubya have the balls to back up their votes and go die in dubya/ head's phony war.

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    Ole Jack Raccardi was up to his old tricks again tonight, calling the NYT exposure of the SWIFT program an act of treason. He even had the audacity to compare it to the Rosenburgs and other past treasonous acts. I would be laugable if so many people didn't take Jack so seriously. I mean, all the wingnut hosts on OAI have zero credibility, so some people actually believe Jack cause of his long-time connection on SA radio. Raccardi did mention that the existance of a program to track financial records had been reported before, what Jack didn't mention is that it was the WH's own personnel who exposed the supposedly secret program to Reuters reporters years ago.

    Ah, but let the wingnut media iswift-boating of the NYT continue, after all, who knows what other secrets the Bush Administration is hiding that they may still expose? And this is where the real meat of this attack against the NYT is centered, and not in the fact that they had the audacity to report on a program that was hardly secret, except that is, to those will never know better in the first place.

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    Dan, if you had a brain, you would take it out and play with it. You and your
    buddy boutons. What dopes.

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    Zebra, you always complain about the media, but can't wait to quote them.


    P.S. I love your new friend nester.

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    So and you have me to complain about. And as long as you are picking on me you
    are leaving someone else alone. How bout that.

    And obviously you have not noticed that I don't complain about all media. Just the
    liberal media. I am after all a conservative. I love some of the Liberal media because
    it really shows who and what they believe. I just wished we could put sound bites on
    here. Damn, Pelosi and Reid and Kennedy and others say some really, really great
    stuff. And Kerry and best of all President Howard Dean. Oops, he didn't make
    President did he. Oh, well he still thinks he is. He is head of the DNC.

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    Whether you like it or not, Nester ia a more accurate representative of the conservative party.

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    Ah, now you have really hurt my feelings. I may go off and pout.

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    I think your smart, just misguided. I feel for ya, stuck in that right wing ignorance pool.

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    when but I do love and

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    So the treason indictments are out, right?

    Right?

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