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    A lot of people here was saying Javtokas was getting part of the MLE, not the whole thing.
    How much?

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    Because Haslem can guard Dirk.
    Bowen anyone?

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    joel brings rebounding if he plays
    that is what is needed


    spurs need to do a sign and trade him
    there is no reason that can not happen


    would you offer scola for him?

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    It's not that we didn't have anyone who can guard Dirk. It was that we didn't have a big man who could guard Dirk and rebound at the same time. Which is what Haslem did.

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    It's not that we didn't have anyone who can guard Dirk. It was that we didn't have a big man who could guard Dirk and rebound at the same time. Which is what Haslem did.

    No. We had someone who could guard him.

    We didn't have a big man in the center getting rebounds or keeping the other players from the offensive board.

    Why?

    Pop had Rasho and Nazr on the bench.

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    Pop must think Yao and T-Mac will be a factor next season. Or he thinks Shaq has one more good season left in him. Other than the those two reasons, I don't understand the signing Pryzbilla either.

    It would be tough if the Dirk problem is not addressed but the Spurs are capable of beating them with just Bruce and TD. Bonner isn't the solution. Maybe one more addition of a long, defensive minded three with Pryzbilla will be enough to win another ring.

    Pryzbilla is not Rasho. He has tenacity and love for the game, two things I don't think Rasho possessed. I would prefer to go small with a talented hybrid three/four with TD as our only true big. But adding Pryzbilla is a positive thing. He's a good player. He's Rasho on steroids.

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    spurs need to do a sign and trade him
    there is no reason that can not happen

    Nazr would have to agree to a sign-and-trade. If another team wants to sign him out right, why would he agree to go to Portland?

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    No. We had someone who could guard him.

    We didn't have a big man in the center getting rebounds or keeping the other players from the offensive board.

    Why?

    Pop had Rasho and Nazr on the bench.
    We had Tim playing center since he couldn't guard Dirk. Our backup options at PF were ty. I don't remember Miami winning lining up 2 centers against Dallas, do you?

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    How good of a defensive player is Pryzbilla? I have seen very little of him, and I wonder if he's a good position defender or if he's just a guy who can swat a few shots and get on the other 95% of the possessions.

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    Przybilla will not put the Spurs any closer to matching up with Dallas, or Phoenix with a healthy Amare. Besides, the Spurs might have two foreign projects in the middle that need the minutes.

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    We had Tim playing center since he couldn't guard Dirk. Our backup options at PF were ty. I don't remember Miami winning lining up 2 centers against Dallas, do you?
    Tim is a PF.

    He wasn't guarding the paint most of the time as Dallas would pull him away.

    Jesus.

    There would have been no problem with Naz and Tim in the game.

    We ing played that lineup against small in Phoenix.

    Another reason we lost was Horry not showing up.

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    How good of a defensive player is Pryzbilla?
    Think Artritis Sabonis with a little better lateral movement and less offensive game.

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    How good of a defensive player is Pryzbilla? I have seen very little of him, and I wonder if he's a good position defender or if he's just a guy who can swat a few shots and get on the other 95% of the possessions.
    He goes for every shot. We'd have to rein him in a little bit. I don't know if he has the smarts to do it, but he's never really been in our kind of D before.

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    Tim is a PF.

    He wasn't guarding the paint most of the time as Dallas would pull him away.

    Jesus.

    There would have been no problem with Naz and Tim in the game.

    We ing played that lineup against small in Phoenix.

    Another reason we lost was Horry not showing up.
    I'm not really interested in burying this thread under this same discussion all over again.

    Maybe you'll get lucky and we'll replace Pop and keep Nazr this offseason.

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    How good of a defensive player is Pryzbilla? I have seen very little of him, and I wonder if he's a good position defender or if he's just a guy who can swat a few shots and get on the other 95% of the possessions.
    He's a good defender. Much better than Rasho was before he got to the Spurs but not as good as Rasho of the past few season. However, he's a much more physical player and would be the best shotblocker next to Tim since David retired. Give him a year or two and he'd be a top five defensive center in the Spurs system.

    That said, I'm not sure if this is the right move.

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    Because they could rebound.
    Because Wade shot 20 FTs a game

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    Because Wade shot 20 FTs a game
    Bingo. A healthy Tony and Manu were what the Spurs needed, but I'd take Speedy Claxton as insurance.

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    It's not that we didn't have anyone who can guard Dirk. It was that we didn't have a big man who could guard Dirk and rebound at the same time. Which is what Haslem did.
    I don't even think it's that -- the Spurs have a player who can be about as effective as anyone guarding Dirk. But when Bowen checks Dirk and the Mavericks go small (or the Suns), you have to start shuffling the deck to come up with defensive matchups. Parker and Manu are pretty easy to matchup on two of Terry, Harris, and Howard; and you can put Duncan on Diop or Dampier -- but that leaves the 5th guy to defend whoever is left.

    Pop could have played Nazr or Rasho, but in order to play the Spurs' usual man schemes, he would have been forced to slide either one of those guys onto Josh Howard or Jerry Stackhouse -- making it a fairly easy matter for the Mavs to just lift those guys and take the Spurs bigs out of the lane anyway. Pop's other choice, had he wanted to play Nazr or Rasho, would have been to slide Duncan to Howard or Nowitzki, but I'd be curious to hear anyone argue that doing so would have been a good idea.

    That's what puzzles me about an interest in Przybilla. He seems to put the Spurs right back where they were -- though perhaps a bit tougher in the middle and with a better shot blocker. Nevertheless, if they truly pursue Pryzbilla, I'd think the Spurs still have a need to find a long forward who can defend a wing player in situations like the one the Spurs faced against Dallas or Phoenix (and any number of other teams that will likely challenge the Spurs by going small).

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    Przybilla will not put the Spurs any closer to matching up with Dallas, or Phoenix with a healthy Amare. Besides, the Spurs might have two foreign projects in the middle that need the minutes.
    No but they would be prepared for Houston and Miami, especially if Snaq decides to get in shape.

    If there are no Odoms or Kirilenkos out there, spend the money on a good big player. Javotkas and Pryzbilla would lock down the center position. TD just needs some help with guys like Dirk and maybe Amare. Find a quick, defensive minded 6'8 to 6'9 guy that Bruce can mentor and I think the Dirk problem is solved.

    Offensively, the team is set. If TP becomes nominally better with his jumper and TD takes free throw seriously, the Spurs would be unstoppable.

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    I'm not really interested in burying this thread under this same discussion all over again.

    Maybe you'll get lucky and we'll replace Pop and keep Nazr this offseason.
    I don't wanna replace Pop nor keep Nazr.

    I think you think I'm coming at this with a bias at ude. I'm not.

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    Bingo. A healthy Tony and Manu were what the Spurs needed, but I'd take Speedy Claxton as insurance.
    Even with all that, again, we were a Mnau bonehead play away from the Finals.

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    That's what puzzles me about an interest in Przybilla. He seems to put the Spurs right back where they were -- though perhaps a bit tougher in the middle and with a better shot blocker. Nevertheless, if they truly pursue Pryzbilla, I'd think the Spurs still have a need to find a long forward who can defend a wing player in situations like the one the Spurs faced against Dallas or Phoenix (and any number of other teams that will likely challenge the Spurs by going small).
    I think they still need someone big to save wear and tear on Tim and to match up with Miami and Houston -- that's why I think someone more affordable like Pollard is an attractive option.

    But I agree -- that guy doesn't solve the Dallas/Phoenix problem. Is there any chance they think Javtokas is mobile enough to get the minutes against Dallas?

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    So why did Miami win?
    Cuz Shaq and Zo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rasho and Nazr.

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    I don't wanna replace Pop nor keep Nazr.

    I think you think I'm coming at this with a bias at ude. I'm not.
    Fair enough. My reply was probably uncalled for.

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    I think they still need someone big to save wear and tear on Tim and to match up with Miami and Houston -- that's why I think someone more affordable like Pollard is an attractive option.

    But I agree -- that guy doesn't solve the Dallas/Phoenix problem. Is there any chance they think Javtokas is mobile enough to get the minutes against Dallas?
    Oh I understand that there's a dilemma -- but it seems to me that if you have aspirations to win a le, you'd better win the West and to win the West, you're likely going to have to beat at least one of Dallas and a Suns team that gets Stoudemire back.

    I can't imagine that Pop will enter the season with the thought that Javtokas will get big playoff minutes, which would seem to me to suggest that the answer to your question is no.

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