That is re ed, no way could you get out of pocket A's and lose only 6x the bb, if thats how you play it, then you are costing yourself tons of money.
People who can't throw away AA make me sick especially in no limit games.
saw someone lose 1000 after showing his KK and his full boat on flop to the other dude (600 was in the pot already on flop), and the other guy didnt care and called with his AA. River came out A and wins the pot.
If you make a habit of folding AA because a K Q or J flops then you're a very weak player. I've laid AA down before but it's usually to Str8 and Flushes. If you're lucky enough to hit your 8 to 1 long shot trips on the flop then you got me.
Do you guys play on pokerfunclub.com?
From the 2-3 different programs I've tried that is by far the best and most realistic.
Exactly.
Played in a 50 man $50 tournament this weekend. Saw AA go 5-3.
Crazy happening with pocket pairs late. We were down to 10 players.
There was a AA, KK, QQ, and a 99.
3 All in's.
Amazingly the QQ folded after the 3rd all in.
A King came on the turn.
Gladly I had crap and folded early. The KK took out 2 large stacks.
Ouch.
Got 1st though...$1000.
I nkow I've IMed people with someone of my best laydowns because of reads, but I rarely fold AA post flop. Yeah, you end up going in as a loser a good amount of times, but you lose way more value if you start folding winning hands against bad playes because you're scared of a set or 2 pair.
I'm with you here as well, if you see an obvious flush or straight on the board there are times you have to give credit for the hand but those times are few and far between.
Jim, if someone flops botom pair on me then wants to draw with only 5 outs to their 2 pair while I'm throwing out near pot sized bets, then I'm very happy about that.
I have seen AA cracked with hands like 8-10 Q-4 more than KK, QQ or JJ by a 3-1 margin.
BTW did nobody think it odd that I got AA the very second that I opned this thread??? This was the point of my post in here.
Let me share someting that happened to me on Sunday night in a 33+3 9 man Sit and Go tourney.
2nd hand- I get QQ, and I flop a set- win hand
3rd hand- I get 99, and I flop a set-take someone out when he goes all in
4th hand- I get QQ, and I flop a set-take 2 people out on all ins
I won the tourney, btw.
Never have I seen someone flopping a set 3 straight hands. Have any of you ever seen this?
This blew me away.
I've had a few cardrushes similar, not as good as that though, but in heads up limit, i've flopped sets with pocket 5's two hands in a row, and made about 100 bucks in those two hands.
Was waiting for it. But in live tournaments the time per hand takes so long, you don't see enough hands to get that many PP's.
Although lost about $40 against Set versus Set after the flop about a week ago.
Brutal
How about the hands in the muck to your AA.
btw, went on a similar rush playing Omaha HL limit. Hit eveything and quadrupled my money within 10 hands.
I've heard of pocket pool, but not pocket aces.
stats are nice but reads and betting patterns picking up that your AA might be beat is more important in games with a load of money.
tourneys and sit n go's i would go by stats, but in cash games, i don't wanna go broke because one dumb move
As the Grinder says, Cash games you don't have to rush to make money, pick your spots where you are comfortable and make money there, don't force yourself to make money in tough situations.
Thats because cards like 8-10 and Q-4 are better against pocket aces than a lower pair. A lower pair is only drawing to 2 outs in order to win unless you get a really unlikely 4 flush or 4 to a straight on the board.
That doesn't mean either is a good situation to be in, one is just worse than the other.
This is pretty much spot on. Learning to pick your spots in cash games is such an important lesson to pick up. In tourneys you have to force the action much of the time, but in cash games you can make much more patient and comlpex moves.
Not talking about cash games, talking about tourneys...whole different animal.
You're right. In a tourney I'm far less likely to worry about anything up against my pocket aces and I'm probably going to play them much harder unless I have a very deep stack and I'm going against someone else with a very deep stack.
I'm not going to play aces weak in a tourney, ever.
This is str8 out the mouth of Daniel Negreanu, don't kid yourself thinking you can get strong reads in online poker.
Oh I completely disagree that there aren't strong reads to be had in online poker. You don't get classic tells, but you sure as get a good way to track betting patterns with your notes. There are several regular players that I play with who I have lines upon lines of notes and I can tell you what they have a ton of the time.
mmm... in lower limits, you can pay attention to players that use the "instant call" or "instant fold" buttons, and use that for your advantage.
But other than that, its all about betting patterns.
you might be right because DN sucks at online play. lol
But he is still one of the best live players, he's at his 3rd final table at the WSOP.
he might be the best. He would have to be atleast in the top 5.
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