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Vanderlei Silva will absolutely DESTROY Chuck Liddell.
Vanderlei Silva will absolutely DESTROY Chuck Liddell.
I've never seen a person on ANY message board that responds with more ridiculous BS than yourself...congrats!!
You need a mirror than homie.
The reason Pride doesn't allow elbows is because of early stoppages due to cuts when the fighter really isn't hurt. Stevenson / Edwards is the PERFECT example. Edwards was fine and wanted to fight, but the cut wouldn't let him...
How many times have you seen a true fighter quit? WTF, OF COURSE a fighter wants to continue.
Like I said clown, are all fights supposed to go the distance? u in your own little expert MMA fantasyland proably think so.
Actually, it's my opinion...
Yeah, like that matters. But it's obviously an expert opinion right? What happened to the concensus???
Unbelievable...
I'm not talking about fighters quitting...where did you get that? Of course they want to continue, but many times they PHYSICALLY can't because they're out of it. I stated a FACT that Edwards was NOT hurt (ie, dazed, KO'd, etc) but the cut kept him from continuing. I've already dismissed what you said about decisions too, so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up again...
I posted the concensus of MMA fans on Sherdog in the other thread and replied with betting lines for Sylvia and Stevenson...
How will the rules affect each fighter? Not that much maybe because it's still down to skill?
There will be some impact for Silva, but he's fought all over the world under all kinds of rules...I think he'll be fine. He loses the ability to kick on the ground, but he can throw elbows which he can't do right now in Pride. Cage vs Ring...etc etc
Also, roid testing...
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...2330&zoneid=13
Right now he's fighting in the open weight tourny, so he's fighting around 220-225 lbs. He'll have to cut weight to 205 lbs to fight Chuck, but that's pretty normal for UFC LHW's...Chuck probably walks around at 220 lbs or so...
I completely disagree. I think kicking people in any way, shape or form when they are down is totally pussy .Soccer kicks to the head > elbows IMO
No elbows?! Yet they allow kicks to downed opponents.....
For the record, I like both alot. But kicking people when they are down is just pussy . Its a sanctioned match, not a street fight. Why not just allow 2 on 1s then?
What about kicks to the legs when a guy is down and won't get up??
For some reason the Japanese culture sees it as just a normal part of the sport but here in the US it's considered "barbaric."
We can agree to disagree...
and I don't see how 2 on 1 has any bearing on what we're talking about
I think the point he was trying to make was that if one can kick a downed opponent then why not allow an all out no rules fight to include 2 on 1?
Am I correct DR? I see your point as well & I find it pretty easy to understand your message.
I'd expect you to understand other irrelevant replies...
Why is kicking so much worse than elbowing??
Yes, I see some of the replies to my posts so I know what you mean with the above statement.
no chance this is gonna happen..liddell will finish him in the first round..silva will come out swinging and then regret ever steping in with the iceman
I think a lot of UFC fans have that opinion...which is fine...
I just think they're in for a rude awakening...
They are in for a rude awakening. Wanderlei is a better fighter in EVERY ASPECT.
My MMA pants are going crazy right now...12 UFC / Pride events between now and the end of the year!!!
The Sept and Oct Pride cards are looking better than any card the UFC has ever put out...
PRIDE OPEN WEIGHT GRAND PRIX FINALS: SEPTEMBER 10
(The semi-finals and finals will take place on the same night)
Grand Prix Semi-Final Bouts:
-Mirko Cro Cop vs. Wanderlei Silva
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Josh Barnett
Grand Prix Alternate Bout:
-Sergei Kharitonov vs. Aleksander Emelianenko
Non-Tournament Bouts:
-Mauricio "Shogun" Rua vs. TBA
-Ricardo Arona vs. TBA
-Alistair Overeem vs. TBA
and
Pride announced 10 fighters for their "Real Deal" Vegas show in Oct...
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=413633
Scheduled To Participate:
Fedor Emelianenko (Red Devil Sport Club)
Mauricio Shogun Rua (Chute Boxe)
Mirko Crocop Filipovic (CroCop Squad Gym)
Kazuyuki Fujita (Freelance)
Josh Barnett (AMC Pankration)
Mark Coleman (Hammer House)
Kevin Randleman (Hammer House)
Phil Baroni (Hammer House)
Kazuhiro Nakamura (Yoshida Dojo)
Pawel Nastula (Takada Dojo)
They still have to fill out the card and Crocop / Barnett are in the OWGP so they could get hurt.
Shogun vs Randleman is supposedly locked in, and Coleman has been offered a rematch with Fedor but hasn't accepted it yet. (from an inside source...we'll see if he's right or not)
not really he will no longer be able to kick them or stomp there head while they are on the ground..and liddell has a better chin and is also a better striker
BTW, yes, you are correct.
Kicking in the legs, thats no big deal. Thats incentive for them to get the up.
But that fight where the dude straight stepped on some asian dudes face in Pride isnt cool. At all. Ever.
The Nazis used to use the heel of their boots to crush the back of peoples skulls to save bullets. My point is, allowing fighters to kick/stomp an opponent when they are down is inviting catastrophe. If that stomp (im looking on youtube) was completely clean, that asian dude would have died. Period.
The human face is pretty fragile. Plant the back of your skull on a hard surface, then allow someone to step between your legs and come down with their heel on your nose. Dude, the best case scenario is youll be eating thru a straw the rest of your life.
LMFAO!!
How can you say Liddell has a better chin? When has it really been tested??? How many top 5 HW's has he fought??? ZERO
Let's look at the last few years for Chuck:
Lost to Couture who was 40 yrs old at the time
Beat Overeem (quality win)
Killed by Rampage
Beat o (quality win, even though o was coming off a loss to Couture)
Beat Couture (41 yrs old)
Beat Vernon White (spare)
Beat Jeremy Horn (he's a great fighter, but he's a MW!)
Beat Couture (42 yrs old)
Overeem is the only BIG striker he's beaten...Rampage punked him all over the ring.
Let's see what's Silva's done vs BIG strikers...
5 Rd Draw with Crocop - top 3 HW in the world and a world class striker, but coudn't knock him out.
3 Rd decesion loss to Mark Hunt - one of the best HW strikers in the world (70 lbs heavier than Silva) and he couldn't knock him out.
KO'd Fujita...and he's destroyed Rampage twice...
Chuck can't KO Silva...Chuck can't submit Silva...his only chance is that it goes to a decision, which will be REALLY hard for Silva to get in the US.
I REALLY hope this fights happens soon...Chuck is already 37 yrs old...if they wait much longer the Chuck fans will say that he would've won a couple years ago, etc etc...
And Silva has fought under all kinds of rules...he doesn't need soccer kick and stomps to win. He'll be able to play with his massive elbows to make up for it...
Well, I will say Rampage thoroughly dominated Chuck. Just watched the video, it wasnt even really close.
You can tell the round length got to Lidell. No, that isnt an excuse. I am not partial one way or the other, but it was obvious Rampage was trained for Pride. All in all, its obvious Pride has better talent and more dangerous fighters.
Its not really an issue anymore.
Chuck would have a signicant "home court" advantage with it being his org, his cage, and his rules...
but I don't think it's enough...Silva is a beast...
2nd round KO for Silva via knee strike...
I dont know. I dont pretend to be a student of the game, but that fight with Rampage was close in the first round. It was every round after that Lidell just didnt have any pop on his punches.
Lidell w/o pop = mediocre fighter
Off the top of my head, Pride goes 15 mins, then 5 and 5, right?
Either way, Lidell was gassed and Rampage wasnt. Silva is a beast, this is of no debate. But I believe that the the three 5 min rounds will benefit Lidell immensely.
Im going to go out on a limb and say Lidell wins by decison. There will be no KOs in this fight. Both have immaculate chins (barring a clean knee).
First of all, you are arguing with an experienced fighter.
Second of all, Wanderlei is one of the top two strikers in the game, above, or just below Mirko Crocop. Also, while stomping is a trademark of Wanderlei's game, he has great defense on the ground.
Oh wow that card just had me crapping my pants.
Pride is 10, 5, 5.
And Liddell - Silva would be FIVE 5 min rounds as long as it was still a le fight.
The fact that the 1st round in Pride is 10 min's would help Silva I would think...he can go harder for 5 min's vs Chuck than he does in the 1st round in Pride matches (which is already pretty damn hard).
Yep, Liddell gas'd out...but he knew he was going to have 10 min 1st rounds while training for those fights in Pride...
UFC (only) fans have no idea how big this is...
Some buddies and I are seriously considering getting tickets and making the 2500 mile round trip drive in 3 days...
I forgot about the 5 rounds for le fights. Whoops.
Either way, its going to be great.
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