Holting Pattern v1.1

[Kori Ellis]

With Rasho and Nazr, or without the team spotting the Mavericks game 2, there's no reason the team isn't celebrating this year's championship. The Spurs have developing talent that they haven't brought to the team yet, and they are following the exact same pattern they've always followed, which will make them a top team until the 2009 season anyway.

Like Scola? Who will probably never be a Spur?

Karaulov who is a bust?

Sanikidze who hasn't played basketball in a year?

Javtokas, who doesn't have a deal yet but was being reported a done deal?

[MoSpur]

I think the Spurs will be fine. People here worry and whine too much.

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I don't know about you, but I'm not please thinking about the possibility of the bigmen being Tim and Elson backed up by Horry, Oberto and Bonner. That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

I agree, but I personally would have at least thought Nazr OR Rasho at very least would have been a good idea. Some of the same people who have nothing good to say about either of them are the ones bad mouthing the organization for not being able to come up with someone better to replace them, even though those someones don't exist.

[picnroll]

I wouldn't underestimate the fact that the Spurs seem to be one of the few NBA organizations that have vision and they are working a plan that extends beyond the profitability model.

It seems to be an excellence model....which would include, but not be limited to, profitability.

Are you saying that the Holting pattern moves of '03 were a success?

Spurs success was Parker, Ginobili and Bowen. The cap clearing moves of '03 were a long term failure which have put the Spurs in a position of no depth and no tradeable assests beyond the core.

[timvp]

Id love to know when this team's revenue stream became the Yankees or Knicks.

It's not about revenue streams. The Spurs are not offering long-term contracts. Those cost Holt the same today that a short-term contract will cost. The only difference is that the Spurs will be opening up salary cap room again to go after free agents in a few years instead of concentrating on adding talent now.

[violentkitten]

Id love to know when this team's revenue stream became the Yankees or Knicks.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/32/323002.html

The skinny

The Spurs have become the NBA's premier franchise on and the court having won three les in seven years and their two stars Tim Duncan and Tony Parker locked up under long-term contracts. The team's home, the SBC Center, gets rave reviews. The state-of-the-art arena was financed largely with taxpayer money. But the bulk of the arena's revenue will go to the team, allowing the small-market franchise to be one of the league's most valuable teams.

[Kori Ellis]

Anyway, I'm going to try to keep faith that there's some other plan outside Francisco Elson plus maybe Javtokas.

[violentkitten]

Are you saying that the Holting pattern moves of '03 were a success?

Spurs success was Parker, Ginobili and Bowen. The cap clearing moves of '03 were a long term failure which have put the Spurs in a position of no depth and no tradeable assests beyond the core.

the holting pattern did make it possible to re-sign manu.

[Bruno]

We now have Holting Pattern 1.1. Not only does the new Holting Pattern hamstring the Spurs from adding players looking for more than a two year deal this year but the fun continues next year when the Spurs have to find guys who'll take one year deals. Welcome to Holting Pattern 1.1. I hope the front office has a better clue this time around because last time they sucked.

I don't believe at all in this theory, Don't forget too that reports say that Spurs have ofered a 4 years deal to Pryz.

I still think that Spurs will get a quality big via trade (likely a big with a quite big contract because bigs with small contracts have too much trade value). If that happen, it will be fun to remember recations from a lot of posters.

[T Park]

But the bulk of the arena's revenue will go to the team, allowing the small-market franchise to be one of the league's most valuable teams.

Yeah Im sure the revenue they get from the arena just makes them like the Yankees.


Keep believeing that Marcus.


Go root for the ing Knicks already.

[LEONARD]

Like Scola? Who will probably never be a Spur?

Karaulov who is a bust?

Sanikidze who hasn't played basketball in a year?

Javtokas, who doesn't have a deal yet but was being reported a done deal?

Kori...keepin' it real

[violentkitten]

I don't believe at all in this theory, Don't forget too that reports say that Spurs have ofered a 4 years deal to Pryz.

I still think that Spurs will get a quality big via trade (likely a big with a quite big contract because bigs with small contracts have too much trade value). If that happen, it will be fun to remember recations from a lot of posters.

wasnt it funny how the spurs seemed to be unwilling to go that extra year with their first round of free agent center targets? it was as if, yeah, we're offering...yeah....

[timvp]

I don't believe at all in this theory, Don't forget too that reports say that Spurs have ofered a 4 years deal to Pryz.

I still think that Spurs will get a quality big via trade (likely a big with a quite big contract because bigs with small contracts have too much trade value). If that happen, it will be fun to remember recations from a lot of posters.

Offering Przybilla a 4-year deal and offering Zo a $3M deal were token moves. The Spurs knew there was no way in that they land the players offering what they were offering. I'm not sure what the motive was. Maybe they were just praying for a miracle.

[violentkitten]

Yeah Im sure the revenue they get from the arena just makes them like the Yankees.


Keep believeing that Marcus.


Go root for the ing Knicks already.

their pockets arent hurting no matter how much you would like to pretend they are. we're not talking about taking on another $70 million in annual payroll so enough with the knicks comparison.

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Like Scola? Who will probably never be a Spur?

Karaulov who is a bust?

Sanikidze who hasn't played basketball in a year?

Javtokas, who doesn't have a deal yet but was being reported a done deal?

All of those guys, and throw in Mahinmi. And the only person saying Scola will never be a Spur is his European agent. And you were the one reporting it was a done deal; forum decorum prevents you from turning around and using that as an argument.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

whos ticket prices are getting raised.

Mine haven't been raised since they moved into the new building.

In fact the went down a few bucks.

http://sanantonio.bizjournals.com/sa...l?surround=lfn

The Business Journal reported in April that the 2005 NBA champion San Antonio Spurs were planning to increase the price of admission for fans hoping to see the team play in AT&T Center next season.

But the results of a new online Business Pulse Poll indicate that such a move is far less popular than the team.


The latest Pulse Poll results show that 75 percent of those who responded believe the Spurs should not raise ticket prices next season. Only 18 percent of those who responded to the survey indicated that the Spurs -- which sold out all their home games this season -- should raise ticket prices.

Another 6 percent were undecided.

Percentages may not add up to 100 percent due to rounding off of numbers.

The Spurs won a franchise-record 63 games this past regular season. But the Black & Silver fell to the Dallas Mavericks in the second round of the playoffs -- losing Game 7 in overtime.

Spurs officials admit that on-court success has led to full arenas. But at least one respondent believes winning may not be enough to offset higher prices at the gate, writing: "Make the price of tickets out of reach for the majority of the fan base and it really doesn't matter how many games they win."

Another writes: "If the market will support the increase, then I believe it is justified."

[Solid D]

Are you saying that the Holting pattern moves of '03 were a success?

Spurs success was Parker, Ginobili and Bowen. The cap clearing moves of '03 were a long term failure which have put the Spurs in a position of no depth and no tradeable assests beyond the core.

I'd say that a Championship in 2005 is a measurable result of moves made by the Spurs and not just a feeling. Yes, a Championship in the .04 '04 season would have been an even better measurable result, I'll agree with that but on-balance the graph of success doesn't reflect "failure". Long term failure has yet to be proven beyond the feelings stage.

[violentkitten]

Offering Przybilla a 4-year deal and offering Zo a $3M deal were token moves. The Spurs knew there was no way in that they land the players offering what they were offering. I'm not sure what the motive was. Maybe they were just praying for a miracle.

i mean, seriously. hey zo, leave south florida where your home is, where you are feted like a king, where you just won a championship and come to south texas for slightly more than the vet minimum for 2 years. the beach is only 130 miles away.

then the spurs can tell johnny boy that hey, we tried to land mourning but he said no.

[T Park]

Uh good for you,

ive already bought my tickets and they are the same price as last year.


A team raising ticket prices, wow, THAT never happens.....

[Obstructed_View]

Are you saying that the Holting pattern moves of '03 were a success?

Spurs success was Parker, Ginobili and Bowen. The cap clearing moves of '03 were a long term failure which have put the Spurs in a position of no depth and no tradeable assests beyond the core.

Dumb . Who did the Spurs re-sign in '04? Parker and Ginobili? Think the Spurs needed cap space to do both of those?

[Kori Ellis]

All of those guys, and throw in Mahinmi. And the only person saying Scola will never be a Spur is his European agent. And you were the one reporting it was a done deal; forum decorum prevents you from turning around and using that as an argument.

I didn't report Javtokas was a done deal. Euro media did. I just repeated their reports.

Javtokas and Mahinmi are the only ones of those that I believe will ever be Spurs.

[picnroll]

the holting pattern did make it possible to re-sign manu.

The Holting Pattern probably kept the Spurs from signing Manu to a three year deal giving them full Bird rights and no fears of losing Manu.

[Kori Ellis]

Uh good for you,

ive already bought my tickets and they are the same price as last year.


A team raising ticket prices, wow, THAT never happens.....

Ticket prices have gone up the last two seasons. You must have a special deal or something.

[spurster]

[Bruno]

Offering Przybilla a 4-year deal and offering Zo a $3M deal were token moves. The Spurs knew there was no way in that they land the players offering what they were offering. I'm not sure what the motive was. Maybe they were just praying for a miracle.

Maybe too they don't want to give a 5 years deal for an injury prone Pryzbilla.
If I remember well, Detroit has turned down Pryz because he is injury prone.