is it a good sign that ny hasn't matched yet?

[tempest186]

Williams' expiring contract.

[JGrice02]

any team would love to have Parker, Ginobili or Duncan

outside of them you are talking about Finley, Bowen or Barry

[Mr. Body]

I don't think they match the 125%+$100K provision. The Spurs could add a draft pick, but I'd say the Knicks would rather keep Butler.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Without reading this thread...

My opinion would be...why should they match right now? Let the Spurs suffer for a week without the ability to sign other guys, then sign him on the 6th day, 23rd hour. That's what I would do.

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs front office is getting played seven days til Sunday. Nuggets and Knicks will let the Spurs twist in the wind for seven days then Knicks will do a S&T to some team, I'm betting the Pups.

They can't match and trade -- Butler would be a Knick until December.

[baseline bum]

Of course the Knicks will wait until the last minute to match. Everyone does that. The Clippers did it with Brand and Maggette. Other than that, it's pretty rare to see anyone sign an offer sheet as an RFA.

[violentkitten]

This summer is easily surprassing the summer of the Jason Kidd courtship as the biggest failure in front office history.

The irony is that summer the Spurs were eager to spend their money, while this summer they're being a bunch of tight wads.

Never thought I'd see the day when the Clips' owner looked like Steinbrenner compared to our ownership.

Holt and Co. owe Tim Duncan an apology, it's almost criminal that they're nickle and diming team needs in the prime of TD's career. POS front office leadership, and that runs from Holt right on down to Pop and R.C.

another sees the light

[benjirh]

Nuggets and Knicks will let the Spurs twist in the wind for seven days then Knicks will do a S&T to some team, I'm betting the Pups.

Knicks can't do a S&T with Butler to another team. As far as the wait goes, unless the Knicks are keeping him and want him to count on the roster for some odd reason, we won't see anything done until wed.

[baseline bum]

There's not much to throw money at this summer. Still, I would have liked them to bite the bullet and offer Butler a much higher contract that might have had a chance to not be matched. There's no way we're landing him for 3 years, $7 million. No center with any kind of game whatsoever goes that cheap. Not when Adonal Foyle gets $41 million. Not when Eric Dampier gets $70 million.

[Ninja-Defense]

I know this is Isiah and the Knicks but it makes no sense to pay over 2 million per for a 3rd string center...which is why those bas s will match.

[strangeweather]

I know this is Isiah and the Knicks but it makes no sense to pay over 2 million per for a 3rd string center...which is why those bas s will match.

Don't forget Frye, their first round pick last year. He played more minutes than Butler did. Butler is their fourth string center if they play Jerome James.

[Ninja-Defense]

Don't forget Frye, their first round pick last year. He played more minutes than Butler did. Butler is their fourth string center if they play Jerome James.

Right, I forgot about that! Yeah, well, then those bas s will definitely match!

[Ninja-Defense]

But they'll probably play Frye alongside Curry, right? I think they did that in one of Brown's hundred different lineups last season.

[strangeweather]

But they'll probably play Frye alongside Curry, right? I think they did that in one of Brown's hundred different lineups last season.

According to 82games, they had two of their four centers on the floor 21% of the time.

Frye:
PF 3%
C 36%

Curry:
PF 12%
C 34%

Butler:
PF 6%
C 12%

James:
C 10%

None of them are really PFs, so it's pretty likely that if they come back with all 4 next year, at least one of them is inactive. Given the pressure on Zeke to play Jerome James, that's probably Butler.

[Ninja-Defense]

According to 82games, they had two of their four centers on the floor 21% of the time.

Frye:
PF 3%
C 36%

Curry:
PF 12%
C 34%

Butler:
PF 6%
C 12%

James:
C 10%

None of them are really PFs, so it's pretty likely that if they come back with all 4 next year, at least one of them is inactive. Given the pressure on Zeke to play Jerome James, that's probably Butler.

Cool, thanks for the info...So do you think NY matches just for the sake of insurance on James? That would be a pricey insurance policy...I understand Butler's young but would any other NBA FO do the same thing if they were in NY's position?

[strangeweather]

Cool, thanks for the info...So do you think NY matches just for the sake of insurance on James? That would be a pricey insurance policy...I understand Butler's young but would any other NBA FO do the same thing if they were in NY's position?

I think Zeke's real interest is in having as many assets as possible so he can pull off more bizarre trades. Either Butler becomes part of a deal, or he becomes the replacement for someone else who gets shipped out.

For example, it was reported that Denver was trying to get Frye in a Francis-Kenyon Martin trade.

[Obstructed_View]

The fact is that nothing the Knicks do makes any sense, and just about the time you think they can't make a stupider move, they top it.

[SequNets]

WTF? the Spurs are over the ing cap and you're ing? They got rid of Rasho finally. Nazr hated Pop anyways.

There ain't out there. I say it. Pop wanted small ball and now he has it.

[Knoxville Spur]

The fact is that nothing the Knicks do makes any sense, and just about the time you think they can't make a stupider move, they top it.

Agreed. These people have to be idiots to have a $130 million payroll and such a bad team and so many lame players.

Anything can happen here...

[Sandman52]

Doesn't Zeke want 'small-ball' too? I thought that was "his reasoning" for collecting all those undersized PFs and all those combo guards.