Reading the Spurs' Minds: A Theory

[spvrs]

That was my point. They are trying to get a scrub back up big guy. A guy to address their main problems will happen via trade or summer league (long shot)

[Mr. Body]

Again, if we're talking scrub big guys, I'll go with the Robertas Javtokas that has accomplished something playing basketball, not the Francisco Elson who was worse for his team in the playoffs this season than he was on the bench.

Agreed, the main problems will be addressed via trade or summer league. I'm feeling they think Rich Melzer is their big coup, God help us.

[NorCal510]

this ninja do his homework

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I apologize for taking a new thread on this, but this involves both the Butler and Elson situations. Please merge it, if called for.

I just had a stroke of inspiration. I don't know what it means, but...

What do Francisco Elson and Jackie Butler have in common? The both play for teams involved in a speculated Kenyon Martin-to-New York trade. Thoughts:

1. If Martin is traded, Denver is short one of their big men, a starter. They'll retain Camby. Reggie Evans is asking for a lot of money. Nuggs seem to be under the cap, but need to acquire shooters. Keeping Evans may be too much. Martin will be traded for perimeter players, most likely.

2. If NYK acquires Martin, they are stocked with lots of big men, most of them incredibly expensive. They then have K-Mart, Curry, James, and an assortment of expensive power forwards.

3. I wonder if the Spurs know and expect this trade to go down. They have in on good faith it will happen.

Following this train of thought, the Spurs don't really want Elson. (I'm holding out faith they don't.) They expect Denver to have to match him, because they stand to lose two of their big men, or at least one. They expect New York not to match due to Big Snack's salary and the luxury cap cost.

The problem is, why did they sign Elson to an offer sheet? Maybe the Spurs know the trade will happen today or early next week. Or, they are trying to force it to happen sooner, so those teams know the answers to their tough questions. There may be an attendant benefit -- maybe they're somehow involved in a multi-team trade and are trying to ensure they stay in it when the trigger is pulled.

It's a high risk, but the rewards for failure are still pretty good. They get Elson, who is cheap for the number of years he gets. And they still have a pretty good shot at Butler.

I just wonder if there is an ulterior motive here to force some action. I have to believe (in my basketball-loving heart) that they want to wind up with Butler and maybe Javtokas. If reports are true that RJ hasn't signed anything are true or that a draconian Greek deadline aren't true, this makes more sense.

I dunno. Just an idea.

Excellent analysis.

Theory B: Front office panicked after noticing that the team had no center with NBA experience on their roster and extended offers to two of the last people available who've actually played a minute in the big league.



Actually, Mr Body. I like your theory better. The signings of the last few days have been very atypical for the Spurs which makes me think something else is in the works as well. . .at least that's my hope.

[Mr. Body]

Actually, Mr Body. I like your theory better. The signings of the last few days have been very atypical for the Spurs which makes me think something else is in the works as well. . .at least that's my hope.

We can only hope so. I don't remember having such flabbergasted despairing befuddlement about the Spurs' moves before.

[Ocotillo]

For the love of God the horse is almost dead.

We should know more by next Wednesday what the logic behind Elson is.

[Mr. Body]

For the love of God the horse is almost dead.

We should know more by next Wednesday what the logic behind Elson is.

Stop reading if you're not interested. It's that simple.

[strangeweather]

One other thing that would throw a wrench in your scenario: Denver's been trying to get Frye bundled in the proposed Francis/KMart trade. If that happens, then (a) the Nuggets just upgraded from Elson bigtime, and (b) the Knicks have a more plausible reason to match Butler.

[rasho8]

Heres how the Spurs will get a team...

[Mr. Body]

One other thing that would throw a wrench in your scenario: Denver's been trying to get Frye bundled in the proposed Francis/KMart trade. If that happens, then (a) the Nuggets just upgraded from Elson bigtime, and (b) the Knicks have a more plausible reason to match Butler.

Yeah, it kind of falls apart. The one thing that's obvious is they're banking on Dolan not paying for NYK's 4th big. And I just have to come to terms with the fact they truly wanted Elson over Javtokas. The 'starting caliber center' theory has to be the only reason there.

[40 inch vertical]

Heres how the Spurs will get a team...

.... depressed as I am over the RJ thing, this really made me laugh.

Thanks!

[spursmode]

My only question are the spurs going to aquire via trade a snowcone machine or not?

[furry_spurry]

We should know more by next Wednesday what the logic behind Elson is.

The logic is really the simplest explanation-- he was the guy they could get to agree to a two-year deal. They would rather overpay for two years than have a longer term deal.

[furry_spurry]

My only question are the spurs going to aquire via trade a snowcone machine or not?

They should have asked Toronto for one- they would have been happy to throw it in to get Rasho.

[spursmode]

I apologize for taking a new thread on this, but this involves both the Butler and Elson situations. Please merge it, if called for.

I just had a stroke of inspiration. I don't know what it means, but...

What do Francisco Elson and Jackie Butler have in common? The both play for teams involved in a speculated Kenyon Martin-to-New York trade. Thoughts:

1. If Martin is traded, Denver is short one of their big men, a starter. They'll retain Camby. Reggie Evans is asking for a lot of money. Nuggs seem to be under the cap, but need to acquire shooters. Keeping Evans may be too much. Martin will be traded for perimeter players, most likely.

2. If NYK acquires Martin, they are stocked with lots of big men, most of them incredibly expensive. They then have K-Mart, Curry, James, and an assortment of expensive power forwards.

3. I wonder if the Spurs know and expect this trade to go down. They have in on good faith it will happen.

Following this train of thought, the Spurs don't really want Elson. (I'm holding out faith they don't.) They expect Denver to have to match him, because they stand to lose two of their big men, or at least one. They expect New York not to match due to Big Snack's salary and the luxury cap cost.

The problem is, why did they sign Elson to an offer sheet? Maybe the Spurs know the trade will happen today or early next week. Or, they are trying to force it to happen sooner, so those teams know the answers to their tough questions. There may be an attendant benefit -- maybe they're somehow involved in a multi-team trade and are trying to ensure they stay in it when the trigger is pulled.

It's a high risk, but the rewards for failure are still pretty good. They get Elson, who is cheap for the number of years he gets. And they still have a pretty good shot at Butler.

I just wonder if there is an ulterior motive here to force some action. I have to believe (in my basketball-loving heart) that they want to wind up with Butler and maybe Javtokas. If reports are true that RJ hasn't signed anything are true or that a draconian Greek deadline aren't true, this makes more sense.

I dunno. Just an idea.

I say we are just ing everything up for everyone else!!!!!!!!!!!!
Misery loves company!!!!!!!!!!If we can't be happy nobody can!!!!!
GO SPURS GO

[spurs=bling]

Heres how the Spurs will get a team...

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Heres how the Spurs will get a team...

Too many bigs. Duncan can't cover Dirk. Dirk would score a thousand points a game and all three Duncans would be fouled out by the third quarter. And imagine the damage the hall of famer Josh Howard would do against those big guys.