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Oberto is a gonner to me, i don't see what use Spurs can do of him if they get Elson or/and Butler.
Oberto would have outperformed Elson playing for Denver last year. Elson's +/- numbers were negative.
Oberto is a gonner to me, i don't see what use Spurs can do of him if they get Elson or/and Butler.
Don't be suprised if Oberto starts. Pop has a way of bringing players along. The true odd man out of the rotation acutally maybe Horry in a trade as his skills set matches Bonner. A trade at sometime in the future will occur with guys like Barry, Williams and Horry going for a swing PF-SF.
I doubt the Spurs would trade Horry. he said that he is going to play at least one more year, and that he wants to retire as a Spur. and Oberto will NOT be a starter. if we get Elson and Butler, I'm sure Elson would be the starter. no offense to oberto, im sure hes a good player, but not on this team, or maybe even in this league.
If Horry retires after this summer, that leaves one more year on his contract.
That means:
Horry ($3.6)
Oberto ($2.5)
Barry ($5.5)
... all have one more year contracts to shop. Unfortunately, it seems no one trades for expiring contracts alone, but it allows some flexibility.
I do admire Obertos hustle. And even though several times he may not have come up with a rebound, but he tapped it out to a teammate that did. I even wondered at times if maybe we would have been better off with him in there than Nazr. I would like to see the guy given the chance to play some minutes and see how he works out. He might surprise all of us.
At the beginning of last year Oberto was tagged with phantom foul calls every time he hit the floor. The refs for what ever reason would not let him play. As it neared playoff time he got a few more minutes and the refs again for what ever reason seemed to lighten up on him. During those minutes the Spurs usually surged as a team. He did this often with the reserve unit. With Oberto it is not the stats it is the general team play that makes the difference.
According to 82games.com, Elson's net production was -4.0. Oberto's was a staggering -11.3.
Numbers like this aren't very transferrable, but I don't see how you can support that claim.
[QUOTE=bigdog]there is no way Oberto is better than Elson. i dont get why you guys keep bashing on Elson. I like Elson better then Jackie Butler, even though we havent seen much of Butler. I dont think we really need that many big men on the active list, so if Oberto is gonna stay on the team, i would want himt o be inactive. but I would even rather have Sean Marks instead of Fabricio Oberto.[/QUOTE]
Oberto would be better than both of those guys if he got the same amount of minutes.
That's like saying you would rather have Re than Morrison.
Marks gets injured rolling out of bed.
Oberto 8.3 mpg 1.7 ppg 2.1 rpg
Elson 21.9 mpg 4.9 ppg 4.7 rpg
Given Oberto the same amount of minutes translates to 4.5 ppg 5.5 rpg
All things considered they are pretty equal with Oberto being a slightly better rebounder for the minutes played.
But really only on the offensive boards, which is most of Oberto's offensive game at this point. They're pretty equal on the defensive boards -- Elson even has a slight edge.
And Elson's jumper is more useful to us than Oberto's garbage collection, because it opens up the paint a little more.
I think an open paint is why got out rebounded by the guards from Dallas. Shooting jump shots will limit offensive rebound production.
My hope for Oberto is that he'll take the same course as Ginobili and Nocioni. Both got much better from their rookie year to their sop re year. I think it has something to do with them being able to out tough players in Europe but when they make it to the NBA, they have to learn other ways to be effective.
I still have hope that Oberto will be worth his contract next season.
Our top 3 players are most effective near the basket. Having Oberto standing around the basket means they settle for more midrange jumpers, because they run into more defenders in the paint.
If we get more high-percentage shots, we won't need as much offensive rebounding.
Oberto will be starting on opening night.
Offensive rebounding is the most under rated stat. An offensive rebound is the equivilent to a defensive stop that requires the energy and skill of five players, but can be accomplished by one. It was actually the most valuable component of Nazr's game.
Oberto when he played for Argentina, the team donŽt have problem with the inside game, palying with player like, Yao, Gasol, Duncan, Amare Stoudemire and J OŽNeal, so why now, with Duncan in the field too, we must to have a problem?
Oberto isn't as Charmin-soft as Elson, which might be a deciding factor considering that neither contributes much to any major facet of the game.
Oberto gets boards and makes hustle plays while not using up shots. On a team with Parker, Ginobili and Duncan that's always a plus. With a year under his belt perhaps he can get to a pre-contract Malik level. That would be a big plus for the team.
No doubt the ORBs were "the most valuable component of Nazr's game" -- it certainly wasn't the pump fakes.
But it's worth remembering that a lot of the reason that guys like Nazr and Oberto tend to get offensive rebounds is because they don't have a scoring game otherwise, so their defenders tend to leave them open to double team other players. Rebounding gets a lot easier if there's no one to box out.
Oberto's offensive rebound rate last year was 12.5%. Rasho's was 8.4%. That means that an additional one of every 25 shots gets offensively rebounded by having Oberto in the game instead of Rasho. If the team shoots 50% on the follow-up shots, having those ORBs is basically equivalent to increasing the team shooting percentage by 2%. However, when Rasho was on the court, the team had an effective field goal percentage of 51.9%, while the team only shot 48.5% when Oberto was in the game. (These aren't perfect comparisons, because they were sometimes on the court at the same time, but they should be close enough.) So even with all the extra ORBs, Oberto was costing them offense compared to Rasho.
Offensive rebounds also can equate to poor transition defense. If you stay under the basket trying to rebound missed shots, you're not getting back to stop the other team's fast break.
Don't get me wrong -- offensive rebounds are great. We could definitely have used more of them in the playoffs. But I don't think having a guy that's an offensive rebounder is better than having a guy with an actual offensive game.
We'll see. I don't think he is athletic enough. Spurs have had great success with athletic foreigners.
trade his ass
you are crazy. The only improvement from Oberto in stats could come from increased playing time, but he'll foul out every other game.
banish him in exile
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