49 pick in draft gets 2 million if he completes his contract....

[ducks]

spurs may pony up next year if what they get do not work out or if noone is better next year

also depends on injurys and what ian does


did oberta sign a 2 year deal or three?

if two and oberta does not work out next year he could take him place maybe with his 2.5 money

[Mr. Body]

It's unfortunate he couldn't wait, but he had to take the Greece job. He had to play somewhere.

The FO being cheap is out of necessity. It's worked pretty well so far. It's amazing what a fine line they've had to walk between fielding an excellent team and being frugal.

Scola and Javtokas will both be in the league within 2 years. I'm feeling Scola will be somewhere else and there's still a possibility Javtokas will be a Spur. Regardless, I feel they'll both turn out to be solid contributors somewhere off the bench. And I don't think the teams that have them will think they've overpaid.

[Mr. Body]

Oberto has a player option for a third year. I can see him packaged with other expiring deals (I feel Elson is a one-year try out and they'll try to trade him, too) to get a talented player.

At that point I can see Javtokas moving in to take his spot.

[ducks]

I think scola could be a 8 point 3 -5 rebound guy
it is to bad he can not play here because he likes the ball where duncan is
I also think spurs are going to try to trade him to the east not the west.....
I would like scola to go to the bobcats......................

[Slinkyman]

Because Powe has been playing in Euroleague playoffs and shutting down some of the best centers in Europe?

Powe's contract suggests absolutely nothing about the Javtokas situation. The contracts of these players apply: Macijuaskas, Jacikevicius, Anthony Parker, Oberto, Garbajosa's projected salary.

Powe has absolutely nothing to do with RJ. Nor did Gomes.

If the Spurs' FO has the same thinking as you, it goes a long way in explaining why we have very little youthful talent on our bench. You guys are completely overlooking the changes in the marketplace for established veterans in Europe.

As if they're any good centers in Europe, Oberto was one of the best and he sucks.

[Slinkyman]

Somehow I doubt he has a team in Europe willing to pay him about $2M US for ONE season.

Somehow i doubt the celtics would pay Powe's medical bills if he crashed his motorcycle

[ChumpDumper]

Javtokas simply has no confidence in his ability to succeed in the NBA and wants his money up front. If he doesn't come over next year, he'll never get the money he could've gotten had he come over this summer.

If he can't stand gambling less than half a million dollars over two years for the huge paycheck he would receive after two years in the NBA, he simply doesn't think that highly of his own abilities. That's fine. the Spurs will give that money to Jackie Butler.

[Mr. Body]

If Javtokas believed in his abilities, he would have played for free.

[ChumpDumper]

If Javtokas believed in his abilities, he would have played for free.

He wouldn't starve on the full LLE - it's more guaranteed money than he's getting now.

[Mr. Body]

If Javtokas believed in himself, he would have said, "No way do I want the LLE, give me $200K! I want to prove myself."

[ChumpDumper]

You're right, we HIGHballed him with a minimum offer.

he was insulted that we offerred $200,000 more than he wanted.

[Mr. Body]

I think he should be paying us for the right to play for the Spurs. That'd be awesome.

[ChumpDumper]

All that dude does is lift weights and fish. If he's afraid to risk 1/4 of his salary over two years for the big NBA payoff, that's his problem.

Tick-tock.

[Obstructed_View]

Yes, it is de rigueur to argue the same point in at least three threads.

<--- Trendsetter.

[Jekka]

Mr. Body is a fool. We've signed our 2nd round picks to the LLE in the past, and we'll do so in the future. Javaktovas is no Manu. I'm not worried about him sitting out for the rest of his damn life.

-Manny

[Mr. Body]

Mr. Body is a fool. We've signed our 2nd round picks to the LLE in the past, and we'll do so in the future. Javaktovas is no Manu. I'm not worried about him sitting out for the rest of his damn life.

-Manny

Like everybody else on your side of the equation, you fail to grasp what's going on here. The problem is the cost of established European veterans has gone up above the LLE. The days of pinching a Manu for the LLE are over. Signing a European talent for the LLE is not impossible, but that player will be wholly untested.

You cannot get a good, Euroleague-tested player to sign anymore for the LLE. It's insulting. But I'm sure the Spurs will keep trying in the hopes of finding someone willing to play for charity. Other teams will take the risks and find the Nocionis of the world. Meanwhile, players will avoid getting drafted by the Spurs in the 2nd round. That way lies a perdition of reduced salaries and years of waiting if you wind up being any good.

My suggestion to you: Call the FO and get them to bring in Sanikidze in the next year, before he asks for more than the LLE. Or stash him somewhere where his exposure isn't that great. I'm sure the second he asks for at least $2M you'll draw out your knives like the typical simplistic homers you are.

[furry_spurry]

One thing people have not grasped is that Robertas is not as desperate to come to the NBA as some people think. I have known that for some time. He has a life and a wife in Europe. More and more there are players choosing to stay in Europe, especially because of the experiences of some who have gone to the NBA recently. I don't think he is nearly as upset about not being in the NBA as Scola is. I think he just felt like the Spurs "misled" him and it would have been better to be more upfront. He could have just signed a deal in Europe in June and been done with it, but he waited for the Spurs until mid-July. They chose other players as their priority and he chose another team. Again, I wonder about those who direct all the "anger" at the individual player and his choice but never at the team and their choice.

[Mr. Body]

Again, I wonder about those who direct all the "anger" at the individual player and his choice but never at the team and their choice.

It's the pathology of this board. Maybe it's the pathology of Spurs fans.

They hate Scola the second he can't come because he signed a long-term contract when he was a kid.

They hate Javtokas for selecting the better life for himself after the Spurs halted negotiations with him.

The second either player comes over, they'll be the best players in existence.

[furry_spurry]

Manu is the exception and not the rule. The problem for the Spurs is that their source of cheap contracts has dried up. Not only has the market value for these guys in the NBA gone up, but the European teams are paying more, too. Manu came to the team in 2002. A lot has changed since then.

[MannyIsGod]

Like everybody else on your side of the equation, you fail to grasp what's going on here. The problem is the cost of established European veterans has gone up above the LLE. The days of pinching a Manu for the LLE are over. Signing a European talent for the LLE is not impossible, but that player will be wholly untested.

IE - Javaktovas. Next.

[quote]

You cannot get a good, Euroleague-tested player to sign anymore for the LLE. It's insulting. But I'm sure the Spurs will keep trying in the hopes of finding someone willing to play for charity. Other teams will take the risks and find the Nocionis of the world. Meanwhile, players will avoid getting drafted by the Spurs in the 2nd round. That way lies a perdition of reduced salaries and years of waiting if you wind up being any good.
[quote]

The LLE is more than what Javaktovas is making this year. If he was insulted enough to go take less money, then he's very stupid.

My suggestion to you: Call the FO and get them to bring in Sanikidze in the next year, before he asks for more than the LLE. Or stash him somewhere where his exposure isn't that great. I'm sure the second he asks for at least $2M you'll draw out your knives like the typical simplistic homers you are.

Now you want to offer a guy who hasn't played ball in a year a contract and a roster spot in the NBA because he might blow up later? This is like your plan of drafting possible non scrubs in the second round on the off chance they might blow up.

But you're definetly right. You're the only one who gets it and the rest of us are all confused. Congrats. You're so smart.

[MannyIsGod]

It's the pathology of this board. Maybe it's the pathology of Spurs fans.

They hate Scola the second he can't come because he signed a long-term contract when he was a kid.

They hate Javtokas for selecting the better life for himself after the Spurs halted negotiations with him.

The second either player comes over, they'll be the best players in existence.

You're re ed. No one hates Scola or Javaktovas. Because people don't go along with your pipe dream ideas they hate them? Scola isn't worth the full MLE, and Javaktovas is worth about what the LLE stands at. That doesn't mean anyone hates them.

If anyone is hated, it is Scola's agent. This is not the first time he's said about the Spurs. He must think pissing them off each offseason is a great negotiating tactic. Well Luis stayed in Europe again, so think again.

[ChumpDumper]

Robertas can stay in Europe and make less money over the course of his career. He didn't and doesn't even have to enter into negotiations with us if he is so goddam happy.

And all this crap about the market -- all those higher contracts were for free agents, and all of them have pretty much been busts compared to their expectations.

Go find the highest 2nd round contract ever signed in the modern CBA era. IIRC, that guy was a Euro bust too.

[Mr. Body]

Just because I'm bored...

Javtokas is not worth the LLE. He's worth more.

Sanikidze might get quite good in Europe. My prediction: the Spurs will offer him the LLE. MannyIsUnclearOnTheConcept and others will applaud. He and his agent look around. Everyone else of his generation and talent is getting at least $2M. He'll say no thanks, go play for Maccabi, making good money and is a star. The Spurs get booted again in the 2nd round with an awful bench. Another couple seasons go by, each summer they offer him even less. Then they trade his rights to Chicago for a 2nd round pick. Sanikidze is a fine bench player for them. They go deep in the playoffs. Duncan retires.

So damn predictable.

[Mr. Body]

Robertas can stay in Europe and make less money over the course of his career. He didn't and doesn't even have to enter into negotiations with us if he is so goddam happy.

And all this crap about the market -- all those higher contracts were for free agents, and all of them have pretty much been busts compared to their expectations.

Go find the highest 2nd round contract ever signed in the modern CBA era. IIRC, that guy was a Euro bust too.

Again... because I'm bored...

You're never going to see talent on the Spurs' bench if you lowball them. Entrapping them with 2nd round picks is going to infuriate them. No one has a hard on to play for the Spurs. You guys will hate them because they want to be paid what they're worth. So what if they're busts? So what if they become superstars? A player feels disrespected when a FO tries to take advantage of them.

Etc.

This is really quite stupid. You and Manny are completely oblivious.

[ChumpDumper]

Javtokas is not worth the LLE. He's worth more.

Right now all he thinks he's worth is $210,000 more than the LLE. If he believes that, he can cash in two years from now.