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I guess...though I thought it would be obvious he's not stealing the starting spot.
.9 to be exact.Ben played .8 less minutes per game last year. So Delfino should expect .8 more minutes next year?
The only reason any of the starters play less minutes is to rest them for the playoffs. Tay will absolutely not lose playing time in favor of Delfino.
And Ben has played less minutes each year since 2002 (before Flip arrived) so your example sucks.
Wallace's role was declining on that team, and Flip had him the bench more an more for crucial parts of the game. He doesn't value defense as much as other coaches. That's part of the reason he left Detroit.
So no, I don't think my example sucks. But argue the point, instead of the examples.
My point is simply Flip values offense more, and Delfino brings more to the table than Prince does (on offense).
I guess...though I thought it would be obvious he's not stealing the starting spot.
Are you crazy? Tay is so often our go to guy on offense. Delfino is a nice piece for us because he can penetrate and not just throw up jumpers like Rip, Billups and Sheed so often do during a game, but it's foolhardy to even begin to think that Del brings more than Tay from an offensive standpoint.
Tayshaun's offense was disgusting when he first came into the league.
He's developed it into where it's potent, but I wouldn't call him the 'go to' guy for that team at any point. His job is to get 10-12 points a night, and shut down the opposing teams best perimeter guy...in my opinion.
That's fine, but if you need a guy on the perimeter who is just a pure offensive player. Who can pass, who can get to the rim and finish, who can shoot, then give Delfino some more minutes. He seems to fit the mold of player who would see the court more under Flip Saunders.
Not saying he's going to start, but he'll see a lot more minutes than he has in the past under Larry Brown. Just my opinion.
Looking at his stats...
His rookie year he played 15 mpg, last year he played 10. =/ Doesn't make sense, I guess Tayshaun brings enough offense to the table for Flip to warrant not needing Delfino.
I was just about to post that!
And did you see any of the Pistons playoff games last year? Tay was by far our best player on the floor. He had games of (points) 29,24,24,22,21,20,20,18,16,16,15,15,15,12,10,6,3
He can knock down the 3. At times is our best post player and one of the few players we have that can create for himself.
I really don't think you watch enough of his game. I hope like that Delfino gets more time, because I do think he'll be a good player ... but it won't be at the expense of Tayshauns role.
They're both about the same age, no?
So I doubt he'll ever have a significant role as long as Prince is there.
As for not watching enough of him, I don't have Pistons TV or anything but I've watched him since he came into the league.
Prince is 2 years older I believe, 26 & 24.
He's not really quick enough to play the 2, right? And he's not big enough to play the 4.
Damn, that sucks for him.
I think you underestimate Tayshaun's offense. He can stretch the D with the 3, is probably the team's best post player, and is a great finisher. He's more than a 10-12 ppg player.Tayshaun's offense was disgusting when he first came into the league.
He's developed it into where it's potent, but I wouldn't call him the 'go to' guy for that team at any point. His job is to get 10-12 points a night, and shut down the opposing teams best perimeter guy...in my opinion.
That's fine, but if you need a guy on the perimeter who is just a pure offensive player. Who can pass, who can get to the rim and finish, who can shoot, then give Delfino some more minutes. He seems to fit the mold of player who would see the court more under Flip Saunders.
Not saying he's going to start, but he'll see a lot more minutes than he has in the past under Larry Brown. Just my opinion.
Tayshaun Prince definitely isn't a "go-to guy" in any sense, but he's a very good role player who can regularly have big games. Delfino brings certain things to the table offensively, but that's by far the weakest part of his game so far. Tayshaun is a reliable offensive contributor.
What Delfino is is one of the better defensive and rebounding swingmen around, both areas Prince struggles (to say the least) at.
But, I suspect that Delfino will be traded.
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I don't see him being traded, right now anway. Joe D can't afford to do it. He's one of our main-back-ups. He won't get equal value in a trade either. Delfino will get the PT this season, and the he'll either produce or not. (Although i thought his defense was great last year in spot minutes, but Flip doesn't care about that). Traded mid-season? Maybe.
As long as Billups/Hamilton/Sheed are on that team I doubt he'll be more than that.
His stats other than his rookie year are all right around 10-14 ppg.
I GUARANTEE that he'll average more than 12 ppg next year.
A. Tayshaun is dangerously close to being a goto cappable guy. If it weren't for Billups and Rip chucking shots he'd probably be our leading scorer since he is our best player in the post.He's not really quick enough to play the 2, right? And he's not big enough to play the 4.
Damn, that sucks for him.
B. Delfino's natural position is the 2. He's plenty quick for it.
No, he's really not. Tayshaun presents some matchup advantages, but his technique is unrefined and he's relatively easily neutralized. Like any good role player, Tayshaun's offense is considerably more effective with Billups/Rip/Sheed drawing attention than without them.
I agree with that.
Tayshaun wouldn't be as good as he is without his team.
I don't give a if his technique is unrefined - he puts the ball in the hoop.
I didn't say he was some dominant post-player. I said he was OUR best. Which is fact. Since he's the only guy who actually posts up consistantly. Sheed will go weeks without sniffing the paint.
Funny that he played his best ball of the season (and his career) when his teammates crapped out on him, and couldn't hit a shot. He carried the team into the ECF, and kept them from getting swept in that series. Plus he gets doubled more than anyone else on the team, because he is the most difficult to stop in a one-on-one situation. Popovich doubled him every single time he touched the ball in the finals in '05.
Last edited by FreshPrince22; 07-25-2006 at 07:08 PM.
Prince is the , a good all around player. Thats why delfino is never going to be able to do much more than 15mpg in Detroit.
Delfino should earn the time but with Tayshuan ahead of him its nearly impossible. I think everyone expected him to have a bigger role last season but if anything it was reduced. Thats why it is understandable that Delfino has reservations about the bigger role he is being promised this time around.
I also think Delfino could and should play at the 2 some, but with the murray signing....
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