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    Feels bad man Mr.Bottomtooth's Avatar
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    Being the "deepest" team, which we are NOT by the way, is extremely overrated. This is still a star-driven league where 20% of your players get 80% of your points and minutes. Whether it's a combo of Tim/Tony/Manu, Dirk/Terry/Howard, or Wade/O'Neal you're primary scoring options will spend the most time on the floor and dominate the ball.

    After that, the focus shifts to "WHO" gets the ball secondarily, not "HOW MANY". You can have a smaller group of more talented reserves, go with an 8-man rotation and beat a team with a 10-man rotation of lesser total talent. I'm sure Maurice Ager is a better talent than Fabricio Oberto, but if they both avg 2 minutes a game, it really doesn't matter does it?

    The only thing being "deep" gives you is more options to trot out on the court, but it doesn't necessarily make you better.

    I'd take 20 minutes from Michael Finley over the combined 20 minutes that Maurice Ager, Greg Buckner, and Anthony Johnson will get any day.

    So I'm willing to concede the "deepest" team to the Mavericks, Bulls, or whoever else anyone wants to tout and say that we still have the components to be the best team.
    So we didn't need Horry just because we had our 3 in the 05 championship? Neither did the Lakers during their 3-year run? The Heat didn't need Alonzo and Glove? , didn't the Bulls need Kukoc and Rodman? Paxson? If you want to win a championship, you NEED A DEEP BENCH.

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    diop/dampier/ mbenga > elson/butler/oberto
    dirk/croshere = duncan/bonner/horry
    howard/stackhouse/george > bowen/fin/williams
    terry/buckner/ager > manu/barry
    harris/AJ < parker/vaughn/beno

    someone said that the spurs hold the advantage at the 3...

    no way...howard owns bowen....bowen my be the better defender but howard is the better scorer and rebounder

    stack is a better scorer than finley on top of that

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    Yes!

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    So we didn't need Horry just because we had our 3 in the 05 championship? Neither did the Lakers during their 3-year run? The Heat didn't need Alonzo and Glove? , didn't the Bulls need Kukoc and Rodman? Paxson? If you want to win a championship, you NEED A DEEP BENCH.
    Horry is a noted playoff performer and gave the spurs consistent minutes as a member of their REGULAR rotation. Gary Peyton was the first guard off the bench all year, Alonzo the first big off the bench. Same with the Bulls. You are naming players that were consistent contributors....name me 10 players on any championship team that gave consistent minutes throughout the season and playoffs. It just doesn't happen.

    I'm not saying that people other than your superstars can't be contributors, all I'm saying is that superstars + regular contributors doesn't usually equal 10 players, let alone 12 or 15. The only exception I can think of is the Memphis Grizzlies regularly employing a 10 man rotation...and look where it's gotten them.

    So I guess you should fully read posts, or you'll continue to misinterpret and make assanine remarks.

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    bowen owns howard, he much less effective when being guarded by him. trouble is, if bowen guards dirk, howard goes off. if bowen guards howard, dirk goes off. that was our problem, the rest was a wash.

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    diop/dampier/ mbenga > elson/butler/oberto
    dirk/croshere = duncan/bonner/horry
    howard/stackhouse/george > bowen/fin/williams
    terry/buckner/ager > manu/barry
    harris/AJ < parker/vaughn/beno

    someone said that the spurs hold the advantage at the 3...

    no way...howard owns bowen....bowen my be the better defender but howard is the better scorer and rebounder

    stack is a better scorer than finley on top of that
    You just listed 13 players on the Mavs side...since when do 13 players even dress for a game, let alone set foot on the court...put the Mavs best 8 against the Spurs best 8 and that'll be a true test of who holds the advantage.

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    terry/buckner/ager > manu/barry
    That's ridiculous.

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    That's ridiculous.
    Yeah I was too busy making the point they had too many players listed that I missed that one... A healthy Manu v. Terry is a good discussion, but how you compare Brent Barry to either Buckner (defensive spec) or Ager (green rookie) is beyond me.

    I'll also contend that Tim/Big Shot is better than Dirk/Croshere because Duncan affects the game defensively as much or more than he does offensively...Dirk has yet to be a significant defensive presence

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    Good thing the Raptors took Rasho as their STARTER, or we might have 6 backups.
    Rasho- 482 NBA starts- PJ even told reporters after the trade that Rasho is
    an NBA starting center.

    As for depth, it mostly helps you get through the REGULAR season and handle injuries to players.

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    As for depth, it mostly helps you get through the REGULAR season and handle injuries to players.

    Which is why I'm glad we have the expiring contract of eric williams (trade bait to cap-hungry teams)....someone goes down, we have the assets to make up for their injury.

    Let's just hope it's not Tim, Tony or Manu...because I doubt we have the assets to make up for their long-term loss.

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    Not worried about the Mavs...it's a simple equation:

    Mavs + championships = 0

    Two zeros added together equals one big zero.
    Mavs have one championship in their eyes. They beat the Spurs in '06. I don't think how much you realize how important that was for them.

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    I believe the Spurs did what was neccessary to compete with other teams which was to get quicker and more versatile centers. I don't think the Spurs have to go small ball with a guy like Elson because he's so athletic where as Nazr and Rasho couldn't get on the floor against Dallas. Now that might have been a bad move by Pop but that's what he deemed neccessary and y'all still almost got back to the finals. Plus remember everybody looks better along side of TD.

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    diop/dampier/ mbenga > elson/butler/oberto
    dirk/croshere = duncan/bonner/horry
    howard/stackhouse/george > bowen/fin/williams
    terry/buckner/ager > manu/barry
    harris/AJ < parker/vaughn/beno

    someone said that the spurs hold the advantage at the 3...

    no way...howard owns bowen....bowen my be the better defender but howard is the better scorer and rebounder

    stack is a better scorer than finley on top of that
    No way Howard can score while Bowen is on him. He'll have to call an timeout that's not even there so he can get off him. Duncan is better than Dirk and Croshere is just like Bonner and then we also have Robert Horry. The small forwards should be equal because Fin and Stack are equal and George is better than Williams.And the shooting guard position just slightly edges the Mavericks just because of the Ager signing. I don't what you are trying to pull but it ain't gonna work. This year Duncan will be able to guard Dirk better because last year he said he was in the best shape of his career. Now that he hasn't lost his form and that his ankle will be healthy he will be faster with more stamina.
    Last edited by #1elliottfan; 07-26-2006 at 05:39 PM.

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    Lots of Spurs fan igorance in this thread. What's new?

    Face it folks, we're still looking up at the Mavs, and barring another trade between now and next February we'll still be looking up at them in the standings and watching them in the Finals while Tim and Tony are working on their golf games next June.

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    AHF has become the biggest pessimist in the forum (not counting sequofthecorn). Can't we just be happy that our center position is looking better? No way a natural scoring 20 year old center is a downgrade from Frankenstein and Iron Hands. All we need is to position ourselves for that mid season trade. And I still have not written off Eric Williams.

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    diop/dampier/ mbenga > elson/butler/oberto
    dirk/croshere = duncan/bonner/horry
    howard/stackhouse/george > bowen/fin/williams
    terry/buckner/ager > manu/barry
    harris/AJ < parker/vaughn/beno

    someone said that the spurs hold the advantage at the 3...

    no way...howard owns bowen....bowen my be the better defender but howard is the better scorer and rebounder

    stack is a better scorer than finley on top of that
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    Lots of Spurs fan igorance in this thread. What's new?

    Face it folks, we're still looking up at the Mavs, and barring another trade between now and next February we'll still be looking up at them in the standings and watching them in the Finals while Tim and Tony are working on their golf games next June.

    there is a God!

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    AHF has become the biggest pessimist in the forum (not counting sequofthecorn). Can't we just be happy that our center position is looking better? No way a natural scoring 20 year old center is a downgrade from Frankenstein and Iron Hands. All we need is to position ourselves for that mid season trade. And I still have not written off Eric Williams.
    Don't forget shaggy17!

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    aggie hoopsfan sounds on the verge of suicide

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    aggie hoopsfan sounds on the verge of suicide
    It's okay. He's permanently this way. Even when the Spurs were winning les, he was ing all the way.

    If he starts being satisfied, then we probably need to do an intervention.

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    The mavs past number of championships has nothing to do with whether or not they will win it this year, dumbass.
    The fact that they can't get it done DOES have some bearing if they go into next season with pretty much the same team, f'n a$$clown.

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    Mavs have one championship in their eyes. They beat the Spurs in '06. I don't think how much you realize how important that was for them.
    Looking through their eyes, they see a big fkn ZERO. They had a chance and they pi$$ed it away. When they meet again, you will see a hungry Spurs team that will not let the Mavs win a series.

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    Aggie Hoopsfan is an Aggie. It's as simple as that.

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    Looking through their eyes, they see a big fkn ZERO. They had a chance and they pi$$ed it away. When they meet again, you will see a hungry Spurs team that will not let the Mavs win a series.
    you're thinking logically. Mavs beating the Spurs is like Texas Tech beating UT, or the Clippers beating the Lakers, or the Eagles beating the Cowboys. Those wins are like championships to those teams.

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