The Middle East crisis in Biblical perspective

[ShackO]

He highlighted the verse about nobody knowing when Jesus was coming back, not even Jesus. One could infer that he was expressing disapproval of David Reagan's rapture "timetable."

Stop giving him hints..............lol

He has never even read the book..................

[Nbadan]

Stop giving him hints..............lol

He has never even read the book..................

Nice stuff you've been donating to the forum lately ShackO, remember that even for GTown and his consistently latent sexual posts, there is a unwritten rule of behavior decorum in the forum that we treat everyone the way we would like to be treated, even those with opinions which disgust us. I don’t think Joch was totally out of line, but sometimes we automatically assume that everyone ‘gets’ the meaning we are trying to convey in certain posts.

[ShackO]

Thnx for the heads up........... It was about the third or fourth time.... So IMO a little adjustment was needed..............

He seemed to have forgotten to reply........ Perhaps he is studying the bible now in order to respond so it wa not all for not.............lol

[jochhejaam]

So IMO a little adjustment was needed..............

He seemed to have forgotten to reply

You had a total meltdown...in an internet forum...

[ShackO]

Well did yo read the bible and find the answer yet..................lol

[Guru of Nothing]

Dear God, I pray, please don't read this thread. [/brownnose]

[Nbadan]

But again, the crucial point to keep in mind is that the Jews did not lose their le to the land. They lost only their use and enjoyment of it, as a punishment for their disobedience. To this day, the Jews have remained under discipline. They may be back in a portion of their land, but their enjoyment of it is being deterred by constant Arab attacks.

Since the Jews wrote the bible isn't this like writing your own permenant land deed? Why didn't the American Indians think of this? All they had to do was get it on paper.

[BIG IRISH]

Since the Jews wrote the bible isn't this like writing your own permenant land deed? Why didn't the American Indians think of this? All they had to do was get it on paper.

Boy am I waiting for an answer

and Dan, depends on Which Version of the Bible
King James Version anyone: LOL


And speaking of Indian's did they give out visia's to all of us "Americans"

[Nbadan]

I guess my real point is that when the Spaniards came to the Americas whether it was the American Indians or the Aztecs, the Spaniards and the Europeans spread Christianity in the Americas through the blade of their swords as much as the sermon in their good book.

[BIG IRISH]

I guess my real point is that when the Spaniards came to the Americas whether it was the American Indians or the Aztecs, the Spaniards and the Europeans spread Christianity in the Americas through the blade of their swords as much as the sermon in their good book.

Some Spaniards, along with others, spread Christianity in Europe, the same way.

Religion and Wars, how many time have they slept in the same Bed, and than
put land in the bedroom........

Now were talking

"Sarcasm"

[Crookshanks]

Since the Jews wrote the bible isn't this like writing your own permenant land deed?

The bible is the inspired word of God - he told the men what to write. And since God is the one who created the world and gave the Jews the land in the first place, then I guess he gets to make the rules! Anyway, I don't want to start another argument - the validity of the bible was thoroughly discussed in another thread some time ago.

[boutons_]

Crookshanks, how old are you, biologically?

[Crookshanks]

Crookshanks, how old are you, biologically?

I am a 47-year old college-educated female. Mother of 4 great kids and grandmother to two absolutely wonderful children.

I was raised in a christian home and have been a born-again christian since I was nine years old. I have always been a conservative and have never voted anything other than Republican (except for Phil Hardberger, because he was the lesser to two evils).

There, does that give you enough ammunition to criticize and belittle me and my beliefs?

[BIG IRISH]

I stopped reading after the le.

That is why you will never learn a mucking thing.

I'm not even going to waste my time trying to convince you that GOD
does exists.

LEARN, READ EVERTHING, Even if you don't like the le or the cover of the book.
You have an advantage, you can read a "History Book" written in a different language and not written/published in America.


DAM I hate people that waste thier life by being young. Yes I've been there and done that.

Case in point, from the article.

The Choice of War
Please note carefully that the Arabs could have peacefully and legally established a second Palestinian state in 1948. They chose war instead, because they were unwilling to tolerate a Jewish state in the Middle East -- even a minuscule one of only 5,000 square miles.

BTW Manual, what is the difference between a JEW, ARAB, and a Persian?

oooops I think I need a Drink, after all I'm just an OLD IRISH TROLL

[ShackO]

The bible is the inspired word of God - he told the men what to write. And since God is the one who created the world and gave the Jews the land in the first place, then I guess he gets to make the rules! Anyway, I don't want to start another argument - the validity of the bible was thoroughly discussed in another thread some time ago.

AND THEN SOME MEN SET ABOUT TELLING EVERYONE ELSE WHAT TO BLEIVE AND THINK... FOR SOME REASON THE SAME GOD OF THE JEWS AND MUSLIMS ARE GETTING A DIFFERENT MESSAGE HERE... I READ THE BOOK AND I SEE WERE THE LAND WAS TAKEN FROM THEM..... WHAT PAGE IS IT WRITTEN ON THAT HE GAVE IT BACK TO THEM???



The bible is not intended to clarify many of these issues people purport to get out of reading it……. If you believe God created the universe and is responsible for writing the book I would think if he wanted to tell Muslims and Jews, Protestants and Catholics to kill each other he could have made it a little clearer…..

It is not the book, or God, but the fools who are reading it that come up with this …. They merely project their own perversions and idiocies onto it……..

Kinda like the inkblot test………….. It merely reflects that which is already there..


Lots of God’s prophesies in this I bet………




Hagge and all these fools going around talking about the end times…. ppl been doing that for two thousand years and this fool has brought nothing new to the table…….

As I said earlier in the thread……..

The day and the hour no one knows but the father…. Unless these idiots are the father you can be assured of one thing… EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM IN WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Crookshanks]

Hagee is not setting a date and time. He's just saying that the Bible gives us the signs to watch for. Jesus said that when we see these things come to pass, that we will know the time is at hand for Jesus return.

He likened it to birth pains. When a woman goes into labor, she, and everyone else, knows that the birth is imminent. However, no one knows for certain what time the baby will be born. Some women have the baby quickly, while others may take a day or two. But, the bottom line is, THE BABY IS COMING!

[ShackO]

Well to be honest I am not intimately familiar with what he teaches.. He is the only one that I knew of off the top that teaches this…….

I guess you are a follower of his???

Of course he does not set a date…….. It is the perpetual last days… , the JW’s have been running that “last days” crap for going on a hundred years now…

You would be hard pressed to find a time in history when there weren’t those calling this “the time” etc…
So have you changed your ways knowing that the end is near???

Although I am not up to date on the latest “theories”, I have read many Pre-post-Mid trib theories and they all raise great points and point out the flaws in the other “theories”….

Oh and the birth pangs and other such terms are meaningless and clarify nothing, they are set forth merely to tweak interest in order to sell his books..

[ShackO]

I guess my real point is that when the Spaniards came to the Americas whether it was the American Indians or the Aztecs, the Spaniards and the Europeans spread Christianity in the Americas through the blade of their swords as much as the sermon in their good book.

I think there were some that were truly interested in the "souls" of the "savages" but certainly not the majority of the ppl that came to the “new world”……. The royal "crowns" of Britain, France, Spain were looking for the money, the natives were threats and nuisance and were dealt with treachery and butchery……

Terms such as genocide and ethnic cleansing don’t seem to do justice to what they did to them…………..Not to mention what continues right up to this very day here and in south and central America …………….

[PixelPusher]

Yep, Jesus is on his way. 'Cause it's not like there have ever been natural disasters, wars and all manner of human suffering in any other time in history that would cause people to think the end times were nigh.

[ShackO]

Yep, Jesus is on his way. 'Cause it's not like there have ever been natural disasters, wars and all manner of human suffering in any other time in history that would cause people to think the end times were nigh.

Nice Vladie sig................lol
Maybe on Monday I should call my insurance company and find out if I can add earthquake and the tribulation to my policy……. Hey sooner or later they gotta be right….

[Nbadan]

Anyway, the incredible part of all this is that rich people listen to Hagee both live and over the radio and on TV by the thousands, and they buy his books and his apocolypic videos. These people need to ask themselves, if Hagee is so sure that the rapture is immenent, then why isn't he just giving his gear away?

Anyway, Hagee is the worst kind of snake-oil salesmen because he uses religion to push blanket intolerance against a certain race - Muslims. In Hagee world, Muslims are the militant aggressors pushing their Islamofachism because they dare resist foreign occupation. Who would have guessed? Hagee would prefer that we nuke the whole area and start over again with some good Christians and Jews.

[ShackO]

Anyway, the incredible part of all this is that rich people listen to Hagee both live and over the radio and on TV by the thousands, and they buy his books and his apocolypic videos. These people need to ask themselves, if Hagee is so sure that the rapture is immenent, then why isn't he just giving his gear away?

Anyway, Hagee is the worst kind of snake-oil salesmen because he uses religion to push blanket intolerance against a certain race - Muslims. In Hagee world, Muslims are the militant aggressors pushing their Islamofachism because they dare resist foreign occupation. Who would have guessed? Hagee would prefer that we nuke the whole area and start over again with some good Christians and Jews.

LOL…………… Why now of course, cause if you ain’t wealthy it is cause you a sinnA’…..




I guess they figure when they need to know that Hagee will tell them……

Muslims are not a race……. And there are many Arab Christians living in the Middle East including Lebanon and Israel/Palestine… Does honest john even know they are there???