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withdraw with honor is a good spin on this admins excuse for failing in Iraq.
ps. where is Sadaam anyway? Shouldn't his trial be on Fox every single second so we can be reminded how much better off Iraq is?
It should have been three from the jump.............. And @ some point it will (hopefully) become three........ The Turks are not willing to let the Kurds have a state either.........
withdraw with honor is a good spin on this admins excuse for failing in Iraq.
ps. where is Sadaam anyway? Shouldn't his trial be on Fox every single second so we can be reminded how much better off Iraq is?
Dems call for a pullout almost as long as we've been there - and now it's a bad idea. Repubs have been telling us how we must stay the course, but all of a sudden a pullout isn't such a bad idea.
Exibit #4329432049325432432 of how our political system has gone to .
So NBADan and his ilk have been suggesting cut and run basically from the first time it looked like there was actually going to be resistance to the war, but now they are looking to make political hay from it once it sounds like someone might listen to it? So it wasn't a good idea? Are we leaning on the "shouldn't have done it" to make up for the fact that the left in this country doesn't have any ideas beyond throwing their feces at the people drawing the water from the well for them?
It's funny that it's Our War when lower Manhattan is still smoking, but it's Their War as soon as the going gets the remotest bit tough. I hope the rest of Americans aren't such pussies as some of you.
The US should divide the ing place into thirds, take over the oil fields and cut each one a check every month. We can then build a base in Kurdistan for when we have to take out Iran after they nuke Israel.
So hanging out in Kurdistan so we can hopefully threaten Iran and Syria while the rest of Iraq burns isn't a long run plan?ChumpDumper - We're there for the long run, good or bad.
And I don't know what you think we're doing there now if not fighting their civil war.
The administration was hoping it could start pulling troops out before the next election. Now they've shifted gears and put it in voters' minds that we'll just bug out if it gets any worse.Nothing like ting on the memory of 600,000 dead Americans to justify your bloodlust for Muslims. "Your sacrifice was for no big deal." I guess you can tell that to the families of our Iraqi vets too.Civil War is not that big of a deal...we had one once.
I guess Bush was at least trying to be respectful when he was addressing the troops at Fort Bragg:Unless it gets REALLY bad. In that case, abandoning the Iraqi people to men like Zarqawi is just fine. You can stay in the new state of Kurdistan!
Funny thing -- Bushy was trying to rally the troops by recalling that not-so-big deal:
So like I said... about leaving, about staying, but no matter what... .
Oh...I had relatives die in the Civil War...I got over it....somehow.
And no where did Bush say...stay if they want us out.
You've had a fascist problem with that since day 1...
I ed about the initial choice to invade. Go ahead and link where I advocated cut and run.So the Iraqis will ask us to leave if a full fledged civil war breaks out?And no where did Bush say...stay if they want us out.Nah, I just didn't think we'd do it if we really didn't want to .You've had a fascist problem with that since day 1...
Who'd you vote for in the last Presidential election?
I wrote in whottt.
Some of them wlli...
Nah, I just didn't think we'd do it if we really didn't want to .
That's must be because you didn't think we'd legitimately attempt to bring Democracy to Iraq...that would be the only reason you'd think we'd render their govt impotent.
I didn't think we'd legitimately cut and run if things got hairy and their government was rendered impotent.That's must be because you didn't think we'd legitimately attempt to bring Democracy to Iraq.
Hey...we weren't the ones that rendered it impotent.
And like I said...I seriously doubt we'll be pulling completely out of Iraq...unless it's to go to Kurdistan.
You know...I know you are generally full of and frequently talk out of your ass, but I have to admit even I am surprised that you don't see the underlying reasons(read Iran) we are there....
dude whottt, speaking historically, chumpdumper always reigns in conservative blood upon you
Sure I see that, but even I am surprised you don't see what a dumbass idea it was to get bogged down and overextended in a country that you admit ultimately doesn't matter while Iran armed all the real terrorists that happen to be ing with Israel as we speak.I have to admit even I am surprised that you don't see the underlying reasons(read Iran) we are there....
I never said Iraq didn't matter...Iraq matters, Saddam definitely mattered. But they aren't all that matters and a civil war or a par ioned country(par ions where groups that hate each other aren't par ioned together I might add) is phase 1...it's not that Iraq doesn't matter, it's that it's the one we could go into. And if we can't bring peace to the whole country, then let them split and find peace that way.
Iraq matters, but so does Iran, and Syria, and Pakistan and Saudi.
You guys act like splitting apart factions that despise each other is a bad thing.
You realize the Iraqis never chose that par ion, it was imposed upon them by Europe...one of the 6 billion things they did to up the middle east.
Seeing as how the Iraqi Sunnis are also the Baath's....how much sympathy are we supposed to have for them?
I was always of the mind that par ion was going to be the eventual outcome and I think that it is becoming the de facto result of the sectarian violence.
It's nice when Chump talks out of his ass so you can catch your breath every once in a while...see you next week when he does it again. Breathe Deep before you go.
Well it was always a possibility...and that's all it still is.
And I've always been of the mind that the US supported Kurdish autonomy strongly....
So does that mean you think Bush will stand up to the Turks in order to get it???
IT's not so much a matter of standing up to Turkey(a good ally and a Democratic Muslim Nation)...it's the PKK and the fact that Turkey doesn't want part of Turkey being part of the Kurdish state.
That is sticky....Get rid of the PKK(Something Turky already did once)...PKK are terrorists too...and if the Kurds want any kind of support for their own state they'll just have to crack down on them and let the Turkish Kurds fend for themselves.
Turkey - Not really a head country so therefore I have no support for any separatist movement from them.
Now the Kurdish movements in Syria and Iran is another story entirely...
The Kurdish territory in Iraq is already autonomous.
I was for leaving when we toppled Saddam. That is what we sent our boys there to do, right? Nobody said anything about any nation-building. That isn't the U.S.'s forte', never has been. In fact, I'm willing to bet that if Dubya had told the truth and told the American people that we were gonna go into Iraq and rebuild their infrastructure with your tax dollar, and there was a likely-hood for a guerilla war, there would have been more initial opposition to the war, but that wasn't how the NeoCon colored-glasses in the Defense Dept saw it, to the Pentagon the Iraqi people would welcome us a liberators with chocolates and flowers instead of Kalesnakovs and IUDs.So NBADan and his ilk have been suggesting cut and run basically from the first time it looked like there was actually going to be resistance to the war, but now they are looking to make political hay from it once it sounds like someone might listen to it?
There are many unescapable truths in any war. We went into Iraq with too few troops to secure the borders, prisons and weapons depots and not enough armour to protect our troops from the deadly road bombs that awaited. That is an unescapable truth. The insurgents which were once just a group of 1000 'dead-enders' and 'dead-beats' now number in the 10,000's and threaten the entire nation. That is an unescapable truth. Islamic Fundamentalism has made a roaring comeback in Iraq now that the guys with the beards and the black robes are back. That is a unescapable truth. Iran has more influence over the current Iraqi government than the U.S., , even Amad Chalibi is back! That is an unescapable truth.
Whatever you want to call withdrawing from Iraq, I am for it not because it is a great choice, but because it is the best of very bad choices. Whenever we leave, Iraq will become a mess. Basically, after getting rid of Saddam, we have made no progress and have every indication of continuing to make no progress from this point. We are futilely spending our lives, wounded, and money.
What we are making fun of is that BushCo has labelled this viewpoint as just short of traitorous for some time. Now we are seeing a 1984ish message shift where this is changing from thoughtcrime to goodthink. The doublespeak to spin this as something like "withdraw with honor" rather than a humiliation is what you can expect from politicians nowadays. Neither party is going to spin their failed policy as a failure, especially one as colossal as this one.
Saddam was not "axis of evil", it was Iran, Syria, NK.
but we invade Saddam to scare Iran, that worked brilliantly, scaring the out of Iran, show the US military to be unlimited power to control every situation.
The Repugs big picture was ed from the beginning, their competence was totally ed, and now, as a consequence, Iraq is ed.
USA security, is totally unchanged at very best at the cost of 2500+ military, degraded more likely, as the Muslims feel empowered by US failure in Iraq plus Hezbollah resistance to Israel.
wow you would think we never went through a civil war of our own... gee I wonder what freedoms were got by that.... ?
A civil war in Iraq will not not among people with Judaeo-Christian/western/European/enlightened values.
Chances are extremely slim that an Iraq civil war will produce a free, enlightened, democratic society as lately "envisioned" by the Repug so-called nation builders, friendly or at least neutral to the West.
A civil war and par ioned Iraq was NOT the objective of the Repugs, and they still don't even want to talk about a civil war, as that will be the undeniable death knell of the Repug Iraq fiasco.
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