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Try driving to Great Britain.
So, maybe this has already been asked and answered in this thread...but, if this plot was discovered using SWIFT or any of the other NSA programs the left has been harping on, does it matter that another 9-11 was averted at the theoritical expense of some fourth amendment protection?
I say theoretical because, even though the left has been bloviating on the potential abuses of all these programs, no one has yet to prove they were used to violate anyone's rights.
Try driving to Great Britain.
Since when does the 4th Amendment apply in Great Britain?
Yoni, ask and ye shall receive....
http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...225453,00.htmla knowledgeable American official says U.S. intelligence provided London authorities with intercepts of the group's communications
The horror! The outrage!! The U.S. shouldn't be listening to anyone, these 24 individuals had their rights to blow up airliners infringed upon by our eavesdropping!
There, saved you time croutons and Dan.
I hate terrorists
Again, they weren't in America; the provisions of the Cons ution have absolutely no application to those who aren't on American soil or aren't American subjects. In fact, I'd think that once a person leave American soil, he forfeits any protections that the U.S. Cons ution provides. So all of the arguments concerning the illegality of the NSA program have absolutely no application to this cir stance. The British government can do whatever surveillance British law allows; the American government can and should aid in the collection of intelligence for the British government by providing it with information gleaned from sources that do not touch the United States if those efforts comport with British law.
If the United States government wants to listen to conversations between Pakistanis and Brits, it's all good. If they want to listen to conversations between Pakistanis and Americans or Brits and Americans, they should get a warrant.
well....seeing as how my native Canada is not really involved much, I can actually form an unbiased opinion.
personally, I support the Israelis in their campaign in Lebanon. Hezbollah is pure evil along with their supporting countries ie;Iran, Syria, etc.
I know what I'm about to say is quite harsh, but the only thing these people understand is complete destruction.
I think that the U.S. needs to drop a Nuke on tehran, on Damascus, and once we pull our troops out and get out as many of the guys that aren't causing problems, Baghdad. Then, you look Saudi Arabia in the eye and say "are you next??". They'd recoil so fast it'd make ur head spin.
Personally, that is my opinion. You may not agree, you may not like it, you may not even care. But Opinions are like assholes; we all have one and they all stink.
"no one has yet to prove they were used to violate anyone's rights."
The very reliable assumption is that such power will be abused. Take a hint from the paranoia in the US Cons ution, and multiply it several times knowin ehe lies these Repugs have used to start a phony war and then use that phony war for to advance their own political power and entrenchment.
No one has yet to prove they were used to stop any terrorist attacks. And because of the profound untrustwothiness of the Repugs, which is their own ing fault, nobody but self-interested/justifying assholes who gain power and $$$ for the Repugs' political machinations believes the Repugs anymore.
Who care if the governemnt listens to what I have to say over the phone as long as this practice helps stop only ONE terrorist plot.
Stop crying about it, you lame people you.
Jack Bauer, is that you?The very reliable assumption is that such power will be abused. Take a hint from the paranoia in the US Cons ution, and multiply it several times knowin ehe lies these Repugs have used to start a phony war and then use that phony war for to advance their own political power and entrenchment.
Jesus H. Christ. All politicians are ing crooked.No one has yet to prove they were used to stop any terrorist attacks. And because of the profound untrustwothiness of the Repugs, which is their own ing fault, nobody but self-interested/justifying assholes who gain power and $$$ for the Repugs' political machinations believes the Repugs anymore.
Read that again as many times as it takes. If it isn't Republicans abusing power, it's the Democrats.
ing get over it you constipated little twit. That's the way things work in D.C., and it doesn't matter what side of the isle you're on.
Quit pretending like it would be any different with Kerry, Billary, or whoever the the donkey party would put in the WH.
This is not a phony war. This is a fight for the freedom of the western world. And, George W. Bush know a of a lot more of what is REALLY going on over there than you do. He also knows more about the mindframe of Terrorists and extremists than you do. Basically what I'm saying, is you don't know much of anything about this war. If you knew anything about it, you would know that this war is serious. The U.S. needs to take off the gloves and kick some ass. Play time is over.
Ozz,
YOu've gotta realize, croutons believes that if Kerry were in office the bad little terrorists would leave us alone and be picking daisies in the fields of Afghanistan. Or something like that.
Unfortunately dip s like him will only get it the unfortunate day when some AQ asshole blows up a nuke in an American city and kills a couple hundred thousand.
Of course even then I'm sure he'll blame 'Bushco.'
By the way, I'm still impressed by your vbookie $.
If any one from my family ever dies from a terrorist attack, I will kill every ing terrorist on the planet, even if it puts me in jail for life.
*standing ovation*
So, you're saying people should only be protected from unreasonable searches if that's written down in some cons ution and that, otherwise, governments could be free to conduct such searches?
Doesn't that unnecessarily limit our government from possibly discovering a similar such plot in the United States?
How 'bout we apply the reasonable standard of the fourth amendment? How 'bout we say it's reasonable to listen into phone conversation between known (or probable) terrorists outside the United States when they are talking to people within the United States? Huh?
Also, what makes you think the London terrorists aren't, in any way connected or communicating with other terrorists in this country and that, possibly, there was communications between the two that could have been discovered by the NSA Programs? Or that some of the money involved wasn't detected or tracked by SWIFT?
The only way you can continue to condemn the Bush administration is if you pretend global Islamic terrorism is actually just a far-flung, disconnected band of zealous martyrs that don't have a cogent plan and who act pretty much independently.
you're outnumbered, Alvarez.
The lasting effect will you getting sodomized in prison.
The terrrorists continue to sodomize the rest of us.
Wait, I'm confused...isn't the reason we continue to occupy Iraq is so we can fight them "over there" there instead of "over here"?
What's the big deal people? It's as if going to heaven sooner than expected is a bad thing.
Get your priorities in order!
"The only way you can continue to condemn the Bush administration "
bull . the dubya and his mother ers are condemnable on many fronts, damn near all fronts.
I could start an underground army or just hire some good hitmen.
Yeah, you are confused.Wait, I'm confused...isn't the reason we continue to occupy Iraq is so we can fight them "over there" there instead of "over here"?
Exactly Amadinejad's position.
He must have been listening to Black Oak Arkansas too.
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