Another mother who should be shot...

[dougp]

the real victim here is the 15 year old...no matter what anyone says

http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/li...s/prb993-e.htm

Unless I'm reading that wrong, it looks like the age of consent in Canada is still 14 ... unless this did pass, and it's now 16.

So this would be legal - would she still be a victim?

I'm still not saying this right - I'm just pointing out that someone who is 15 does know they can get stuff out of this.

[flipcritic]

Guys. We weren't there. Please stop judging the girl.

[dougp]

That's not my line of thinking at all. Obviously she knew what was going on. In the beginning when it was proposed to her, she probably felt forced but obligated -- it was her mom asking her to do it. Not many kids are willing to rat out their parents for something. So, you are right, she probably rationalized it in her head and thought at least she'd get something out of it.

But enigma is saying she should be PUNISHED and that she probably thought up the idea on her own.

What the ?

If she did consent - and by signing a contract, one would think she did - I'd say that taking items for sex would make one a pros ute, right? I'm just saying ... the arguement itself was brought up on FARK.

[Kori Ellis]

You don't think she was coerced into signing the contract?

You think they just presented her the contract and she was like "Sure, sounds like a great part time job."

[DarkReign]

That's not my line of thinking at all. Obviously she knew what was going on. In the beginning when it was proposed to her, she probably felt forced but obligated -- it was her mom asking her to do it. Not many kids are willing to rat out their parents for something. So, you are right, she probably rationalized it in her head and thought at least she'd get something out of it.

But enigma is saying she should be PUNISHED and that she probably thought up the idea on her own.

What the ?

Oh, oh oh.....no no no. I dont believe even as Devils Advocate that she should be punished. Thats ridiculous. Even if she knowingly knew what she was doing and plotted against her mother and boyfriend is irrelevant.

Whether or not 15 is an old enough age to consent, the law says it is not. Not much debate there, unless the law overturned (highly unlikely).
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All I was saying is that I dont much see her as a victim, or that she was raped (in the sense that it wasnt consentual). It was consentual, but illegal.

[DarkReign]

Also, any contract signed by a person under 18 is null and void, by law in Michigan.

I know this from first hand experience. Its very very cut and dry.

So legally speaking, even the implications one would take from her signing the contract, legally it dont make a bit of difference. Even is intent was there.

[Kori Ellis]

Anyway, the guy also sexually assaulted a 12-year-old multiple times, so I don't think this is just a case of two consenting people deciding to have sex. The guy is obviously ed up.

[dougp]

You don't think she was coerced into signing the contract?

You think they just presented her the contract and she was like "Sure, sounds like a great part time job."

She was coerced into signing the contract probably by the "ooo i get new clothes and get to pierce myself" thing going on.

You still seem to think I don't think it was possible that she's innocent - but I do. I just think that someone should kinda investigate it and determine that maybe she is partially to blame?

[DarkReign]

Anyway, the guy also sexually assaulted a 12-year-old multiple times, so I don't think this is just a case of two consenting people deciding to have sex. The guy is obviously ed up.

Also a good point. If I am going to run all sorts of assumptions over her, I shoudl for him as well.

Hes a pedophile. Jackson State prison here he comes. Good luck in there, tough guy. I knew a guy who did a dime in there, 5 stories was all I needed to never break the law in a significant way as to goto prison.

[dougp]

Also a good point. If I am going to run all sorts of assumptions over her, I shoudl for him as well.

Hes a pedophile. Jackson State prison here he comes. Good luck in there, tough guy. I knew a guy who did a dime in there, 5 stories was all I needed to never break the law in a significant way as to goto prison.

Supposedly that girl is also his daughter from another marriage/woman ... there were some alternate links in the fark thread in regards to that one.

[DarkReign]

Supposedly that girl is also his daughter from another marriage/woman ... there were some alternate links in the fark thread in regards to that one.

Are you saying this 15 year old is related to the "boyfriend" in this story?!

If so, scratch what I said earlier. I dont care what she knew or didnt, hes sick, have fun in prison, buhbye.

[dougp]

Are you saying this 15 year old is related to the "boyfriend" in this story?!

If so, scratch what I said earlier. I dont care what she knew or didnt, hes sick, have fun in prison, buhbye.

No, supposedly he's related to the 12 year old

[1Parker1]

Or maybe she was afraid? Or maybe she was threatened? Or maybe she was just too emotionally ed up to tell anyone? Or scared of her mom getting in trouble? Or whatever?

I can't believe people here are saying an abused kid needs to take some of the blame for the abuse.

Y'all have some ed up line of thinking.

Read what I wrote after that.

Either way, whatever the story is, the girl isn't at fault either way. She's only 15 years old. The fact that her own mother would initiate and propose such a thing is sick.

I am not saying that the girl wasn't scared or threatened or is to be blamed/punished in any way. I'm just pointing out that there are two sides to every story. It just seems a little weird to me that she would sign a contract and go on doing it for 2 months...especially when the setup was that she would be getting clothes, piercing's, $$$, in exchange.

[1Parker1]

Anyway, the guy also sexually assaulted a 12-year-old multiple times, so I don't think this is just a case of two consenting people deciding to have sex. The guy is obviously ed up.

THe guy as well as the Mother...I just don't understand what kind of mother would sell her child off like that...because she couldnt have sex with her BF due to some surgery!

[Mixability]

Has it been said that she was the one that came forward or was it the adult that she told. Maybe she didn't get tired of the "rewards" and was bragging about it.

[boutons_]

I've read that a lot of mothers remain silent, forever, when they suspect or know their kids are being abused by family members.

[tlongII]

The actions of the mother and her BF are absolutely SICK! I don't hold the 15 year-old responsible in any way for this.

[Mixability]

The actions of the mother and her BF are absolutely SICK! I don't hold the 15 year-old responsible in any way for this.

I'm sure they forced her to get the piercings too.

[tlongII]

I'm sure they forced her to get the piercings too.

WTF has that got to do with anything? Teenagers always want stuff and her mother and ass-clown boyfriend seized on this fact to get the dude some underage pussy. Sick.

[Mixability]

WTF has that got to do with anything? Teenagers always want stuff and her mother and ass-clown boyfriend seized on this fact to get the dude some underage pussy. Sick.

She was getting for having sex, not for being y or getting good grades in school. She ed the guy, he gave her what she wanted. She could've refused the stuff and maybe the parents would've seen that she might snitch and maybe they would've stopped. I have a feeling she wasn't the one who told. She wanted to continue getting .

[tlongII]

She was getting for having sex, not for being y or getting good grades in school. She ed the guy, he gave her what she wanted. She could've refused the stuff and maybe the parents would've seen that she might snitch and maybe they would've stopped. I have a feeling she wasn't the one who told. She wanted to continue getting .

She was presented a contract you dumbass! She didn't go to them with the offer, they came to her! Every teenager wants . Maybe this was the only way she could get new clothes...

[Dre_7]

Anyone who is trying to blame the girl have no idea how far some kids will go to please their parents. Just because she signed contract doesnt mean she deserves the punnishment. The mom and the asshole are the ones responsible.

[Mixability]

She was presented a contract you dumbass! She didn't go to them with the offer, they came to her! Every teenager wants . Maybe this was the only way she could get new clothes...

Maybe the girls ed up in the head, I mean cmon, regardless of who made the offer, she got clothes for ing her moms boyfriend while she was "out sick". When I wanted when I was young, I took out the trash, cut the grass, like that. They paid her to be quiet and it worked for a while.

[Mixability]

Anyone who is trying to blame the girl have no idea how far some kids will go to please their parents. Just because she signed contract doesnt mean she deserves the punnishment. The mom and the asshole are the ones responsible.

If the girl was younger, a lot younger, then I could see her being confused about the deal. But geez, this YOUNG ADULT was 15.

[tlongII]

Maybe the girls ed up in the head, I mean cmon, regardless of who made the offer, she got clothes for ing her moms boyfriend while she was "out sick". When I wanted when I was young, I took out the trash, cut the grass, like that. They paid her to be quiet and it worked for a while.

Exactly! Only she didn't have that option. She had to her skanky mother's pedophile boyfriend.