I think they wish to call you mean names.
Was that supposed to be an argument? "People call me names" = "people wish me dead?"
And you think that AHF and gculo should be the benchmark for the level of discourse in here? Is this the political forum or second grade recess?
My point exactly.
I find a lot it just a wee bit on the hateful side. I don't agree with a fair part of what Dan believes in, but when I don't, the last thing I resort to is ad hominem, which is the first thing that g-town et al. go to, if they deign to rebut it at all due to the "ignore" cowardice.
gculo is the standard now? Seriously? You agree with Nbadan on that point?
I cannot believe that Nbadan actually insinuated himself to be the left-wing equivalent of AHF and gculo. That is a cataclysmic display of self-ownage. Classic, really.
Just shows the basic incivility of political discourse nowadays. I know I read somewhere of people joking about Jill Carroll's misfortune of being taken hostage.
the aid worker, I don't recall her name that was killed was sneered at by some because she was over there actually helping Iraqis.
My main gripe is the article refers to people from Fox as journalists.
Reading a bit to much into what I posted are we?
That is a bit of a strawman. The "et al." means that Mr. -town is not alone in his bad habits, and was simply selected as the most extreme example of such ideologues as can be found on the right. More of a rhetorical florish than a "standard".
Join the ing club. You liberal .
I didn't bring up AHF or gculo as counterexamples, so how can it be a strawman?
And of course selecting "extreme examples" makes for a solid refutation of my depiction of Dan's views as extreme. Selecting notably inarticulate and risible people as counterexamples goes a long way towards reinforcing Dan's credibility.
And sure, adding an "et al." does not mean "other people like these two" but rather "posters who actually are taken seriously, but who I can't think of right now, even though they're the ones I really need to mention for my point not to fall flat on its face."
Honestly I think there is some miscommunication here, but I am rapidly getting to the point where I cease to care.
I don't think I said or even implied such a refutation.
In my experience, Dan is not quite as frothing-at-the-mouth wacky as a lot of real scary types on the right. He would be the first to admit he is on the left, and that is readily apparent, but I think the right levels [/I]far[I] more vitriol on a regular basis at the left than the other way around.
To be honest, there are your boutons, and I have very certainly talked to, and heatedly debated with, some real nutjob conspiracy dorks on the left.
But the left has nothing that even compares to the mouthpeices that one sees in the form of Rush Limbaugh, or Fox "news" that do nothing but give platforms for demogogues. These people inspire and arm people like hoopsfan, xray, yoni, and others both here and on other boards that I have frequented, with all the truth that they need to go out and say that liberals are traitors, s , and whatever else they are told by the new demogogues.
The fact that people in the center have bought into the "liberal media" myth is a good example of how effective such propaganda has been.
Since you are rooting for Americans to be kidnapped and harmed by those groups, and cheering when it happens, I would call it "not far off the mark".
It may have been an attempt at humor but that doesn't make Dan an al-Qaeda sympathizer.
It's hard to believe that, when it seems that he willingly will ignore the facts about terrorist, and will always pin the blame on Bush.
When, you pin conspiracies (Katrina, the racial cleansing of blacks, and the 911 colloboration) you yourself can't believe, on a political opponent you don't agree with, how can you expect respect from your opponents.
i think nbadan is a shameful person. if you think i'm extreme, atleast i truly believe in what i believe.
I also don't go around this forum trying to jump on people because i have to prove i'm moderate in my beliefs. It's stupid to have an inferiority complex.
You don't see me hurling insults at octillo, smeagol, Darrin S, or other liberals. Only those who are dishonest and just try to rile up people.
Dude, totally uncool. It should be O'Reilly and Cavuto.Please let it be Hannity.....please let it be Hannity.....please let it be Hannity...please let it be Geraldo....please let it be Geraldo...please let it be Geraldo..
Hey thanks!
Although I disagree with most of what conservatives say on this site, I do try to keep a sense of civility. I don't always accomplish that though. Sometimes it's just been a bad day.
Don't forget John Gibson.
The only reason I respond to you is because you have an unusual combination of potential and blindness.
You are without a doubt NBADANS target audience.
I have a target audience? I thought my audience was people who can think for themselves?You are without a doubt NBADANS target audience.
don't play dumb. Your audience is people who can be easily manipulated.
Well, NBAdan and boutons think I'm a conservative, which means I must be a moderate.
1. You are Hizbollah .
2. I still wouldn't root for a terrorist to kidnap you and possibly chop off your head..
That's the problem with you, everything is overexaggerated and a total twist of words.
Wow, lots to respond to there...
I consider myself basically in the middle. Yeah, it may not seem like it, but you've got to go a long way to the right to counterbalance NBADunce and croutons on this forum.
I don't agree with everything Bush has done, even though some folks may think so. There are some dumb things he has done WRT the Middle East.
That said, I'll support what he's doing because he's got some smart folks around him and the alternative, i.e. pussies like Kerry, being in power scares the out of me.
Then on top of that you pile on CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, etc. bagging on Bush and all Republicans any chance they get, and well this whole "buying into the liberal media myth" thing looks as stupid as Random Guy's post.
I don't listen to anyone on the right cry about it and buy into any conspiracies. All you have to do is turn on the ing channel for five minutes and listen to Lou Dobbs or Dan Rather or whatever network mouthpiece is on the TV and you don't have to "buy into" a damn thing as far as conspiracies go.
What cracks me up about the media bias is that the left sits there and trashes Fox News for being conservative, while they talk out of the other side of their mouths about how great and objective CNN and others are. That's bull .
Fox is slanted to the right. CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, and ABC to the left. This is pretty common knowledge for anyone with half a brain. Deal with it. Fox isn't some great satan because they don't suck Democratic like the rest of the news networks.
As to guys like Dan on this board. Well let's see, if he's not claiming government conspiracies about 9/11 he's calling Bush a liar and in it for the oil, worrying about our intelligence groups eavesdropping on phone calls to Pakistan, Iran, and Somalia, and other stupid like that.
THen you get croutons with his whole juvenile fifteen year old "shrub/ head" , and yeah it's hard not to see that and lean to the right to try and balance out some of all that nonsense.
Bush isn't perfect, that's for damn sure. But anything's better than a pacifistic anti-war guy (Kerry) who would have put his head in the sand in 9/11 and begged Osama to just leave us alone, basically the exact same thing he turned his back on his fellow soldiers and tried to do in 'Nam.
My biggest problem with guys like Dan and croutons is this utopian belief that the demos wouldn't be paying back political favors and campaign contributions if they were in charge. All politicians do it.
Neither side has room to talk and to pretend otherwise just shows the (lack of) intelligence of whoever is arguing so.
Where the dividing line is for me is that I want someone in charge who is strong against terror, let's the economy do its thing, views the UN with the healthy skepticism that it has earned, won't work to take away our right to bear arms (as HIllary and others are working to do) and won't take from anyone who tries to with America.
The rest is just bipartisan bickering. *shrugs*
...but I know you wish me the best of health.You are Hizbollah
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