What is that you are saying, left-wing taliban?
Your message get's tangled in between your hate and your lack of humility.
Nowhere. But reality and evidence are enough to prove Genesis is not to be taken literally.For the sake of arguement, where does it say it's not meant to be interpreted literally?
p.s. An answer of "it just isn't" will not suffice.
I like you and Hector and all the other posters who defend Christianity with a lot of passion but there is no way the World is 6000 years old.
Dark Ages are not to be "blamed" on anybody.
Boutons is stuck on auto-reply, once again turning an informative thread with no relation to politics into a right vs left wing thing. Boutons is like a forum parasite. Attaches to a healthy host and leeches all the life and good from it.
i dont believe in evolution
if there is, then how come today monkeys are still monkeys?
and the thing about god creating life etc, made the first human beings adam n eve, does he mean created monkeys?
Perhaps, but we do know that the creation of Adam and Eve is supposed to be taken literally since the Bible takes a pause to emphasize that 'Adam was created in the image of GOD.' This is a highly significant attribute that only humans possess, and eliminates the notion that some other primate later evolved into man.
Besides how can we explain the burial of entire petrified forrests whose very trees penetrate several geological layers that are each on the supposed order of millions of years? 500 million year old trees -- that is much harder to believe than a 6,000 - 12,000 year-old earth if you ask me.
But I'm much more flexible on this particular creationism controversy (the age of earth) than I am with the acceptance of a chaotic evolutionary theory that aims to discredit our Creator. Do animals of a 'kind' adapt? Yes. Have some of them taken on different phenotypes stored in their genes? Yes. Are there similiarities among the different groups and sub-species that can be misconstrued for false genetic linearity? I believe their Creator to be the same so Yes. The random unguided evolutionary model is given far more credit than it deserves.
If anything it should be blamed on the Germanic (barbaric) destruction of the Roman Empire.
The Roman empire collapsed due to corruption, and less to any external factor.
Ok, ok, we get it. The Bible is the truth because its popular (right now).
Evolution aside, heres one that no one can ever refute or explain in a context of 6000 years ( , call it a million).
EXPLAIN ING DINOSAURS!!
Oh thats right, God in all his wisdom forgot to tell Adam and Eve about his prototype run with life of giant ing reptiles.
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"So crucify the ego, before it's far too late
To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical,
And you will come to find that we are all one mind
Capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Just let the light touch you
And let the words spill through
And let them pass right through
Bringing out our hope and reason ...
before we pine away."
I think that if you view current speciation in terms of all life evolving from a single biological incident (such as the primordial soup theory) and then progressing forward, like branches of a tree, where all life has a common ancestry in as far as they evolved from the same source; then evolution is perfectly consistent with both Biblical creationism and/or Intelligent Design theory.
I think the answer to this is that God's time is not our time.
Now that I can believe. People that dismiss evolution out of hand are just ignorant IMO. There is too much empirical evidence to just dismiss it for no other reason than it might conflict with religious beliefs.
With that mindset, we are doomed to fail His experiment. Embracing change when presented with new info and adversity is the definition of adaptation.
Do you mean that 6000 years in God-time is something like 600 million years ours?
I think it's unknowable. Linear time is a social construct.
I can accept this theory. However, I still believe that man was created as a different en y altogether. Adam was made out of 'the clay of the earth' and bore no genetic linearity with the rest of the animals -- including primates. We have a spirit and a soul -- none of the other animals do. In other words, animals were given a soul but were not endowed with an immortal spirit.
Crazy dictators for one... yes I know their history. But their untimely destruction came at the hand of barbaric invaders from the north.
Not inconsistent with the primordial soup theory.
Unfortunately, scientific evidence -- specifically genetic evidence -- tends to refute that claim.
Okay, but, that, in itself, doesn't refute evolution.
The human gene is only 3% different than a chimpanzee. That right there is fascinating and factual.
Fact because its been proven. Fascinating because the difference between a tool-user-in-infancy and civilization in all its intricacies is only +/- 3%.
Most of them died out due to the huge climate shift that occured shortly after Noah's flood. Consider that prior to Noah's deluge -- it never rained on earth.
Some, like the Behemoth and the Leviathan mentioned in the Bible sound alot like descriptions of dinosaurs... Not to mention our little friend known as the Coelacanth is still around, alive and kicking... err swimming.
Dinosaurs lived millions of years ago, Hector, they did not die in the great flood.
My mindset cannot be described by what you just wrote. Though you may not agree with it, I have countless of scientific reasons as to why I dismiss the notion of an unguided evolutionary model. Sometimes though, people just don't care to listen, or with all due respect - simply don't understand....
I recommend you read the following book.
http://www.audible.com/adbl/site/pro...&redirectFlag=
And before people start spouting about the source, realize that you would be making severe error in judgement. The author is one of the foremost authorities on the Human Genome. His credentials are not to be taken lightly.
I'm sorry, I just find it funny that someone who is intent in disproving the veracity of the current evolutionary theory by saying its unguided is quoting Noah's flood as if it is a proven fact. Just curious, do you actually believe in Noah's ark?
GOD was the Creator of plants, animals and humans.... our genetic structure should be similar. I wouldn't expect a painting by Van Gogh to look like one of Picaso's. All of his paintings were made in the same mold, and a with a consistent style.
In the same fashion, GOD was able to create life so infinitely diverse, and yet so inherently the same - in His style. The bioengineering principles he used were the same.
Genetic similarity doesn't automatically suggest genetic linearity and or divergence from one source.
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Nah man, this is America, you can think whatever the you want. I've since given up talking to you about this stuff. Youve researched heavily into the subject knowingly or unknowingly with your religious goggles on trying to punch holes in the argument solely for the purpose of your personal religious values.
To me, youre putting the cart before the horse. But thats neither here nor there anymore.
We will never truly know. Carbon dating is a farse -- which is why I asked you all to question the suggestion of 500 million year old trees... this from an observation that saw a whole forrest penetrating multiple geologic layers --
What was embarrassing about the find was that before the petrified forrest was found each of these layers had been 'aged' with the conventional standards -- each spanning millions of years... Somehow this story is always overlooked (or swept under the rug) by many people.
I may be right, or I may be completely wrong regarding the age of the earth, or how Genesis 1 should be interpreted. Either way, the co-existence of dinosaurs with man (becuase their fossils show that they in fact lived -- something I've never denied) is not something upon which my entire belief system hinges on. Again, I've always been flexible with the 'age-of-earth' controversy.
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